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The "company Christmas dinner" mentality of having to pay deference to the bosses and the business all night is exhausting, especially when Flair pretends the McMahons are embarrassed by it, but whatever. Decent show overall. I could have listened to Hansen talk for hours--serious uncle/grandpa envy for that family. Sting was a lot of fun too. The Birds were as good as expected, although I could have done without Hayes' awful karaoke. Singing cold over a PA with no monitors would be very difficult even for pros, and that whole mess could have been nipped in the bud. And the entire Godfather segment was just bizarre, soup to nuts; thank god it was short. The only thing I could find to like about it was his obvious joy at being there.
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Outrageous real-life heeling it up
PhilTLL replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling Mostly
Barry Bonds chose to cheat repeatedly and abundantly because he resented players who he felt were less talented getting greater recognition than him. It doesn't get much more heelish than that. -
Outrageous real-life heeling it up
PhilTLL replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling Mostly
Vaguely current! In the ESPN oral history Those Guys Have All The Fun, Michelle Beadle addresses the Erin Andrews privacy invasion and says something like "It was a nightmare scenario. Obviously she looked great, but it was so frightening for all of us." I was pretty amazed by that. -
I think at the very least a lot of them should be merged with/preserved as Microscope threads, if possible.
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Flair/Kerry from Hawaii is a good one. The '84 "Boogie Jam" match with Steamboat is one, but I haven't actually seen it yet.
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[1993-02-06-WCW-Saturday Night] Rock & Roll Express vs Heavenly Bodies
PhilTLL replied to Loss's topic in February 1993
As for TBS, the AIDS joke stays, but what gets censored is Cornette saying "I'll sue you, I'll sue (a bunch of unintelligible names)." The AIDS joke, senseless in 1993 and just a lead balloon 23 years later, is the only thing not to like about this segment. Well, maybe the fact that in their pajama pants, they all look a bit like my dad in the ring. Save Gibson who is dressed in classic street fight attire.- 14 replies
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[1993-02-21-WCW-Superbrawl III] Rock & Roll Express vs Heavenly Bodies
PhilTLL replied to Loss's topic in February 1993
This was originally booked as RnRs vs the Wrecking Crew. Thank god for...whatever happened to change that. Update: So #whathadhappenedwas, I got taken by an angle from 23 years ago, and this was probably never intended to be RnR/Wrecking Crew.- 15 replies
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I would love to know the mental gymnastics by which you've excluded yourself from nerd-ness. It's not exactly a pejorative anymore, for that matter.
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Surprisingly sharp match from both women there.
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The HBK tribute act is at an all time high tonight. My god.
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[1993-01-16-WCW-Saturday Night] Ricky Steamboat vs Dustin Rhodes
PhilTLL replied to Loss's topic in January 1993
Really enjoyed the match in full. Gritty stuff with great arm work and selling by both guys--by the last stretch, both their lefts are hanging limp. Steamboat plays the more-pissed-off half of a face vs face match very well. The bulldog and crossbody nearfalls are hot, though not helped much by the Center Stage crowd.- 11 replies
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[1993-01-02-WCW-Saturday Night] Special Report: WCW World title change recap
PhilTLL replied to Loss's topic in January 1993
They actually did a nice, subtle job building up Simmons' vulnerability: the Rude medical report "controversy", plus getting distracted by things like the arm wrestling tournament and too many other people's battles, like helping Dustin vs. Barry. In the finish, which we see next week, Vader wins with a shoulderbreaker off a caught crossbody attempt.- 11 replies
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[1992-12-26-WCW-Saturday Night] Battlebowl Feature / Interview: Rick Rude
PhilTLL replied to Loss's topic in December 1992
I'm not sure if this Rude interview on the yearbook is the one from the same episode of SN where he tells Simmons that he's "the power in WCW," and Rude will "fight the power--by any means necessary!" But that is deliciously evil, and a lot smarter and less eyeroll-offensive in 1992 than their usual ancient race baiting.- 8 replies
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Concussions and CTE are the basis of the gigantic class-action lawsuits, the Hollywood movies, and the potential upheaval of the entire sports industry, not orthopedic injuries. I'm following the professionals' lead.
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They already found it in Benoit and Andrew Martin. And you're right about sub-concussive blows--virtually *all* wrestlers could be (probably are) suffering brain damage that could lead to CTE, even when everything goes just right. That's part of the big lawsuit against WWE, as I recall. As for the questions in the topic, the answer to virtually all of them is "yes," and the answer to "How important should wrestlers' health be?" is "More than it is." But wrestling is even more resistant to change than football, structurally as well as culturally. Wrestling doesn't require thousands of highly skilled, experienced players to choose from, just a relative few decent athletes crazy enough to do it. It's got even more of that "passion that you choose to do despite the risks" thing than football, there's no union, and nobody's parents have to sign a waiver in the 8th grade to get them started.
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What is the greatest *worked* moment in televised wrestling history?
PhilTLL replied to Parties's topic in Pro Wrestling
In spite of how far in the hole it started--the sixth incarnation of a group that had been tarnished for the past five years, an outgrowth of a really stupid real-life dispute with an odious asshole, said asshole's appearance in the segment--the 1998 Horsemen reunion is still lightning in a bottle every time I watch it. YOU SUCK! YOU, I HATE YOUR GUTS! ABUSE OF POWER! YOU! -
It is. The Tulsa match has orange mats. Here you go:
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I'm not voting and haven't been seeking out a lot of new-to-me workers in the past year, and I could still name 100 better than HHH off the top of my head.
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Ron Simmons vs Paul Orndorff, WCWSN 11/28/92: Orndorff is back in WCW, challenged Simmons last week, and promised a surprise, which turns out to be Madusa. They work 10:00 of a decent if basic heavyweight match until Madusa (lazily) breaks up the power slam pin with a slap to the face, and Rude comes out to defend her from Simmons' ire. Simmons pops Rude hard and goes back to business, but gets cut off by Orndorff, who also bumps the ref. This allows Rude to just obliterate Simmons with a concrete piledriver! Holy cow. Orndorff by countout. Rude cuts a promo about how Simmons should have learned in the ghetto not to touch other people's property. For the record, he does all this in light purple(?) Zubaz. *3/4
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The indexing isn't available on many devices. The easiest way around that is to use the web interface to find the point you want, then use Continue Watching on the device you want to see it on.
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I've encountered a new source configuration in Clash 21: master video with audio that sounds like they got it from a third-gen VHS copy.
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Steamboat vs Vader, Worldwide 11/14/92: This is a hot 4 minutes with some nice spots and even a bit of story and structure based around the fact that if Steamboat plays tough and stands in he gets mauled, and if he gets cornered for too long, he's done. He uses plenty of his usual speed spots and even gets in a baseball slide and...not a plancha, because that might have gotten him caught and posted, but a springboard chop. Neat. Vader misses the corner splash once but not twice, starts pounding Steamboat, and tosses Nick Patrick all the way across the ring to the floor, garnering the DQ. Steamboat of course gets KOed, going into full stagger-swing-and-stumble mode. Second or third in a series of fun shorties between the duo. **1/2 Tony: Vader is out of control! Jesse: And who's gonna stop him? Schiavone, you're tough, you go down there! Match repeats on Power Hour 11/21.
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Well I'll be damned, y'all were right! Another was John Peterson vs Ian Weston. Ross literally says "A lot of fans might be wondering why this match is on television..." It does seem to be more of a series than a tournament so far. I'm not sure if I really like the concept, though, especially when they make explicit that it's a match of guys with "lower skill levels." Especially when Erik Watts pins multiple of them--and *Bobby Eaton and Michael Hayes*--in his first three weeks on the air. More Watts race weirdness: He promotes the Simmons/Walker vs Jack/Barbarian/Atlas match at the Clash as "ghetto odds." I, as the kids say these days, cannot even. Simmons does use it to give a good promo about the struggle and how his opponents don't know the ghetto.
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This is how I usually think of this block. You can also call the first two "Hulkamania rise and peak" and "Hulkamania decline and fall." That sounds about right. Mania 14 with the Austin coronation and the scratch logo was the confirmation of the Attitude era, not the beginning.
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Bob Cook over Joey Maggs in a match that is explicitly labeled an "Underdog Challenge," WCWSN 11/7/92. O...kay... I also might as well mention, since it damn sure isn't a listing in the Yearbook threads, a bizarre angle the week before Havoc '92 with Cactus, Tony Atlas, and Robby Walker to build the Simmons/Barbarian match. Atlas says some shit about Simmons that is so vile (cotton picking boy, etc) they beep out the entire thing when they replay it next week and that doesn't really seem like overkill. I have to think Watts came up with the thing (for whatever God knows reason in 1992!!) and Tony just ran way too far with it, because surely he wouldn't go to that place without some guidance...right? Ugh.