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Jdw said in another thread that he has an important job in Washington. Don't know what it is exactly.

I posted it cause it's alarming to me how mainstream publications cover wrestling and constantly get stuff wrong. Johnny P is absolutely right thinking "How do they get these people?" A lot of uneducated fans will enjoy that list and think a guy like Winkie is smart. I posted on Twitter the excerpt of him talking about Ultimo Dragon never getting a title put on him by a major company just to show how wrong he was. What alarms me is if he and other freelance hipster type journalists don't just write about wrestling but also sports, politics and pop culture. Which means they are wrong about most of the stuff they write if they keep getting these gigs. The people he picked on the list didn't bother me but the write ups Winkie did were flat out wrong and could've been corrected with a simple google search. That's why it's embarrassing.

Well, Sports Illustrated freelance writer Luke Winkie put together his 101 GWE List and it's quite embarrassing. http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/07/26/wwe-wcw-ecw-100-best-wrestlers-all-time

I would say it's a little of both. The sad thing is that he's still going back and forth with people on this today.

Isn't this a bit of an old-school kinda racist gimmick anyway ? The hot white woman and the heel black guy ? It's exactly what Doom were in the days with Woman. It's weird that Jay Lethal and Cedric Alexander have in a way done that in ROH with Taeler Hendrix and Veda Scott respectively but both are not blonde bombshells like a Lana for example and both never really generated racist heat.

Also a bizarro world where these two girls are getting close to $30k a month for posting photos of themselves from sponsors and apps like the Kardashians. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3597854/Meet-Belfie-Queens-Nadia-Dana-Bruna-Florida-earning-20-000-month-posting-pictures-enormous-surgically-enhanced-posteriors-Instagram.html

Who are you talking about? Fakeplastictrees is probably talking about Kim Kardashian and he wouldn't be off by that assessment. Whether it is Kim K, Jen Selter, having a bigger butt is in pop culture. Look at this Vogue article and you would think that this is a new phenomenon where historians can trace back to Saartje Baartman as a black woman with a big butt being sort of a sideshow freak thing. I thought fakeplastictress post was interesting but also problematic as I can see were it can come off as "policing black people." I immediately thought of Cam Newton and Russell Wilson because of the reactions they garner from sports fans as quarterbacks that are black. Cam is more beloved in the black community because he outwardly embraces hip hop culture and isn't forgiving about it. Russell is different and he feels like more of the "establishment quarterback" as he does all the right things and doesn't make waves (until recently with his speech at Wisconsin and even then a lot of people loved his speech) but he's not viewed as "less black" than Cam cause he's being himself. The current crop of black wrestlers now are being more of themselves like fakeplastictrees said but I think there can be more layers to each wrestler than has been seen. When we look back on Jay Lethal's career, this ROH World Title is what we look at first. It's not going to be "Black Machismo". Lethal being a classic NWA World Champion of a promotion is what he's always wanted his character to be instead of being impersonator guy that is black. As mentioned before, New Day are being themselves. WWE has let their black wrestlers be mostly themselves lately but R-Truth is always a maybe. With Naomi, I don't see her as a "black character" as more as she got tired of being screwed over and turned into a person with a chip on here shoulder and has an edge. She's been smiley babyface and it didn't work. Like Luchaundead said, she might be in the middle. With Sasha, her real life personality might not be Sasha Banks but listening to her interviews has made me realize that she ain't that far from that character as you would think. Her outside of wrestling looks more alternative but she doesn't deny her blackness and embraces it. Other wrestlers like Lio Rush, ACH, Cedric Alexander, Ricochet, AR Fox, Moose, etc. are being themselves on the indies.The MVP, Kenny King, Bobby Lashley group made me watch TNA, which I never do, because they were themselves and those three guys are very different from each other. We need more wrestlers being themselves and not just black wrestlers. It can be applied to every wrestler. If stereotypes come up in their character now, it's will be pretty obvious in 2016 that someone is playing it up for cheap stereotype reaction from crowds or is that really their own personality.

As a black man in America, I view them as black from their skin color and African heritage because that's how others have viewed me. I have lots a friends that are mixed raced but they view themselves as black in terms of skin color as well because what the outside world has said. But that's where it stops. I posted that list cause I happened to stumble upon that thread (I was actually looking for the WWECW thread) and it caught my attention that only 2 were in the top 100. A lot of those wrestlers are totally different from each other besides them having Black-African heritage in their gene pool and wouldn't expect them to be "act black" but just wrestle. But I might not be the one that Luchaundead is asking the question.

Ricochet is half black like Aja Kong, The Rock, and Sasha Banks. (Also like our current President - President Obama)

I know Tazz wasn't but Mero duped me and I'm black. He was basically playing Little Richard in WCW.

This is a joke on purpose, right ? Mero is italian. Like Kevin Sullivan said "Why do you take a cracka to play a brotha ?" Isn't this topic a little racist anyway ? No. I swear to god I had no idea Mero was not black. He's darker than some people on this list. I'm taking him out now.

I went into the Megathread for something else but I found this thread on who is the Best Black Wrestler. Reading through it, I made a list of the results from the GWE. I included Carlos Colon because looking at him, he looks Afro-Latino. I could've put in other Puerto Ricans like Savio Vega and Homicide but I thought Colon was obvious. Surprisingly no JYD. 49) Aja Kong (4085 points, 83 ballots, 39.89 avg, high: 3 - anarchistxx, 2006: 18) 91) Too Cold Scorpio (2521 points, 74 ballots, 67.27 avg, high: 1 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: 145) 101) The Rock (2228 points, 57 ballots, 61.93 avg, high: 8 - anonymous, 2006: 64) 103) Carlos Colon (2185 points, 56 ballots, 61.98 avg, high: 12 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 136) Butch Reed (1189 points, 38 ballots, 69.71 avg, high: 24 - anonymous, 2006: honorable mention) 156) Mark Henry (1007 points, 37 ballots, 73.78 avg, high: 42 - Phil Rippa, 2006: unranked) 234) Abdullah the Butcher (396 pts, 17 ballots, 77.71 avg, high: 32 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 238) Sasha Banks (360 pts, 13 ballots, 73.31 avg, high: 22 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 248) Booker T (316 pts, 12 ballots, 74.67 avg, high: 16 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: honorable mention) 250) Koko B Ware (312 pts, 10 ballots, 69.80 avg, high: 19 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 251) Ernie Ladd (311 pts, 14 ballots, 78.79 avg, high: 44 - NotJayTabb, 2006: honorable mention) 270) Ricochet (275 pts, 13 ballots, 79.85 avg, high: 46 - jackwebb, 2006: unranked) 274) Clive Myers (271 pts, 12 ballots, 78.42 avg, high: 54 - PeteF3, 2006: honorable mention) 279) Ron Simmons (239 pts, 8 ballots, 71.13 avg, high: 24 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 352) Kamala (128 pts, 7 ballots, 82.71 avg, high: 50 - ChuckScumm, 2006: unranked) 355) New Jack (124 pts, 6 ballots, 80.30 avg, high: 25 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 387) Norman Smiley (97 pts, 6 ballots, 84.83 avg, high: 45 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 466) Bob Sapp (35 pts, 1 ballot, 66.00 avg, high: 66 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 519) Rufus R. Jones (14 pts, 1 ballot, 87.00 avg, high: 87 - Dean Rasmussen, 2006: unranked) 557) Kofi Kingston (1 pt, 1 ballot, 100.00 avg, high: 100 - Jimmy Redman, 2006: unranked)

I went into the Megathread for something else but I found this thread. Reading through it, I made a list of the results from the GWE. I included Carlos Colon because looking at him, he looks Afro-Latino. I could've put in other Puerto Ricans like Savio Vega and Homicide but I thought Colon was obvious. Surprisingly no JYD. 49) Aja Kong (4085 points, 83 ballots, 39.89 avg, high: 3 - anarchistxx, 2006: 18) 91) Too Cold Scorpio (2521 points, 74 ballots, 67.27 avg, high: 1 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: 145) 101) The Rock (2228 points, 57 ballots, 61.93 avg, high: 8 - anonymous, 2006: 64) 103) Carlos Colon (2185 points, 56 ballots, 61.98 avg, high: 12 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 136) Butch Reed (1189 points, 38 ballots, 69.71 avg, high: 24 - anonymous, 2006: honorable mention) 156) Mark Henry (1007 points, 37 ballots, 73.78 avg, high: 42 - Phil Rippa, 2006: unranked) 234) Abdullah the Butcher (396 pts, 17 ballots, 77.71 avg, high: 32 - El Boricua, 2006: honorable mention) 238) Sasha Banks (360 pts, 13 ballots, 73.31 avg, high: 22 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 248) Booker T (316 pts, 12 ballots, 74.67 avg, high: 16 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: honorable mention) 250) Koko B Ware (312 pts, 10 ballots, 69.80 avg, high: 19 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 251) Ernie Ladd (311 pts, 14 ballots, 78.79 avg, high: 44 - NotJayTabb, 2006: honorable mention) 270) Ricochet (275 pts, 13 ballots, 79.85 avg, high: 46 - jackwebb, 2006: unranked) 274) Clive Myers (271 pts, 12 ballots, 78.42 avg, high: 54 - PeteF3, 2006: honorable mention) 279) Ron Simmons (239 pts, 8 ballots, 71.13 avg, high: 24 - Scarlet-Left, 2006: unranked) 352) Kamala (128 pts, 7 ballots, 82.71 avg, high: 50 - ChuckScumm, 2006: unranked) 355) New Jack (124 pts, 6 ballots, 80.30 avg, high: 25 - Mando>Eddie, 2006: unranked) 387) Norman Smiley (97 pts, 6 ballots, 84.83 avg, high: 45 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 466) Bob Sapp (35 pts, 1 ballot, 66.00 avg, high: 66 - anonymous, 2006: unranked) 519) Rufus R. Jones (14 pts, 1 ballot, 87.00 avg, high: 87 - Dean Rasmussen, 2006: unranked) 557) Kofi Kingston (1 pt, 1 ballot, 100.00 avg, high: 100 - Jimmy Redman, 2006: unranked) Edit: Took out Mero.

Matt, I'm kind of surprised you liked this match considering you are not a Volador fan.

AJW ran two shows in bigger buildings in the 80's. They ran Budokan Hall on 8/22/85 with Chigusa vs Devil and Jaguar vs Lioness. Then they ran Sumo Hall in April 1986.

Just watched this match and boy it was good. I really dug the matwork in the opening caida. I'm in the minority here on this board because I don't love maestros grappling and hold trading but this stuff was really good. It didn't feel like an exhibition which some of indy maestro style matches sometimes develop into. It like an actual competition and these two wanted to win badly. I almost wish the match went longer. That's how good it was. Wouldn't mind if we got a rematch.

This channel has chunks of late 90s and early 2000s Joshi including ARSION, GAEA, LLPW, and some dying days of AJW.

Look at who Reigns is facing in a triple threat match May 20th on a house show in Utica. Very uninteresting. http://theuticaaud.com/event/wwe-live-2/

I disagree with Kevin Owens not being interesting because a lot of people are into him. For me, I was not a fan of his Kevin Steen work but he's had two interesting programs with Zayn and Cena (maybe Ambrose also cause the build with those two was better than Ambrose vs Lesnar). Now with MITB, I agree with they need to get rid of that concept but the PPV is on the books for them and WWE isn't giving any indication of getting rid of it.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned Owens. He's seems to be the leading guy I would bet to win MITB. With Owens you can milk him holding the briefcase longer than Rollins had it being the annoying heel who can cash it in. They worked a Raw match before but a Reigns vs Owens match with a proper build would be interesting.

Fuji was a Japanese American. He had some Japanese hertiage even though he was born in Hawaii. You mentioned Adnan playing a Native American and that's similar to playing blackface cause that's not his heritage and it would be insulting for actual Native Americans to see. Let's be modern here for a second: Thea Trinidad and Sara Stock played Mexicans named Rosita and Sarita in TNA. Trinidad is Puerto Rican and Stock is Canadian. Was it radically progressive when they were in the ring Hernadez and I forget the other guy having Cinco De Mayo in the ring as heels?

Next to J-B-I love puro and Otto Wanz-L and Michael Cole? I don't really see it.Have you listened to him? He comes off as a dweeb, a dork, a wimp. So, with all the problematic racist things in wrestling how did making fun of Byron even come up? You are allowed to make fun of black people, you just can't make fun of him for being black. They've never done that, they just make dumb jokes about a coworker. Yes I agree. Byron is a complete cornball but he's playing his role as cornball announcer for the babyfaces. I don't hate him like other people do because he's doing his job. However, I've seen people on social media say that Byron is only there on Raw because he's the token black guy. WWE does keep one black male minimum in terms of announcers whether it was Booker T, David Otunga on the Raw Pre Show or Byron now. Not the case with the female ring announcers but that's another story. With WWE, it wouldn't surprise me if they had Byron out there so they can look diverse. They used philanthropy as part of their marketing so they fall in line with other corporations that do the same thing with philanthropy, diversity, or any other corporate buzz word they have.

Exactly