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Vince winning the 1999 Royal Rumble. I did stop religiously watching WWF just a few months later.

Well... Harsh noise guys are... interesting. https://rateyourmusic.com/release/ep/danshoku-dino/harsh-noise-wrestling/

Totally agree. After SummerSlam 98, the product takes a nosedive and I was getting sick of Austin vs McMahon already, especially with all these bad Taker/Kane matches. Yes, the early angles were absolutely terrific. But to me, the feud peaked with the second Dude Love match which is the apex of Attitude Era overbooking insanity. After that point, it's only downhill for me, despite the natural chemistry Austin & McMahon had. The 99 stuff with the Corporation and the *gasp* Corporate Ministry is eye gouging material. It gets a pass because it's WWF winning the MNW and because it's Austin (and Taker, to a lesser extent, as people are seemingly more willing to acknowledge the fact he was involved in tons of terrible stuff), but honestly, it's just *really bad*. Plus it's about that time Shane & Stephy gets thrown into the mix, which is another reason to not enjoy it considering we'll still *there* 20 years later.

Well, this guy was breaking kayfabe in 1960 : http://www.ina.fr/video/CAF90023807/la-minute-de-verite-d-un-catcheur-video.html Tells pretty much everything about it (the only stuff that's not credible is when he says 50% of the matches actually turn into real fights because guys don't work well together). His conclusion is that it doesn't matter anyway because even as a worker who knows everything about the tricks, he still can really get into it like he would at a movie or a play. Yep. 1960.

Bryan could/should have been the biggest star in the company. At his peak he was at Austin-level of connection with the crowd. Pushed as he should have and the opportunites that come with that, he would be untouchable at this point.

I'm not writing him off at all. I'm just saying ROH is something I really never was interested in diving into (the few attempts over the years at different points never really worked for me) and since at this point I'd rather watch everything in context, I'm not really into the idea of watching an isolated "Bryan in ROH" anthology, although I'm sure I'm missing a lot of great stuff.

I've actually praised a whole lot of WWE matches and cards (mostly NXT Takeovers) to great lenghts in the last few years, despite not liking the product (and the way its presented) as a whole. So there...

I second all this about AJ Styles. To me, as I'm going through TNA (I'm at mid-08) and adding the NJ & WWE stuff, AJ Styles is probably a top ten worker ever already.

In my experience, there are generally two types of wrestling fans on the internet . Those who are genuinely interested in wrestling and/or its history and enjoy finding out new information. Those kind of folks tend to fit in well here. The other type are basically WWE only fans and get irrationally defensive if anyone questions the official company line. That's where the "snobbish" stuff tends to come from, as there tends to be a big overlap between those folks and those who think education is bad. Actually, I do think there's also an über-snobbish attitude consisting on over-praising everything WWE against the "evil snobbish Meltzerian smark promotions".

This is why TNA is actually a really underrated promotion. Christian's stint in TNA is excellent and he really revels himself as a terrific single's worker and a main-event caliber guy. He was already made-up when he went back to WWECW. Sorry, but again, this is ridiculous. Styles was having MOTYs in 2005 in TNA. He was already being a great worker as early as 2003/04. He was overdelivering despite the shitty booking Russo put him though in term of character. He made the best out of every stupid gimmick he was put in (Elevation X anyone ?).

Well, except this result doesn't really reflect the debates. Most of these N°1 votes come from late voters who didn't even take part in the process at all and who haven't been seen active on the forums before or since. This was one reason the results of the GWE 2016 was so frustrating to some. I don't know Bryan's career enough to compare him (ROH is a massive hole in my viewing, and my distate for what this company brought as far as in-ring style and presnetation goes doens't encourage me to check it out, maybe wrongly so). His highs in the WWE are quite high. The "the 4 Pillars" always worked against each other is irrelevant though. Yes, they did. But there's no way to know if they wouldn't have delivered against Hashimoto, Takada, Mutoh etc… They probably would have too.

Well, I thought I did just that in the Hogan thread, it didn't work. I'm so bad at this kind of stuff.

I still don't know how to embed a video or picture.

Well, like the great French comedian Coluche said in the late 70's, talking about two opposite French politicians : "They have a circus act. One is peeling the onions, the other one is crying." It's like in the WWE, the owners always win in the end, no matter who they book.

Really ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49kFPeItBdg

Well, it's very obvious WWE wouldn't enjoy Bryan going straight to Cody & the Bucks…

Yeah, me too. Daniels had some try outs in the WWF before at this point and he had the "mystical" Fallen Angel gimmick. So... Oh, and Yokozuna is joigning the nWo soon, too.

Ok, thanks. I don't know if it's being mentionned already, but the one true dream feud for the WWE audience right now : Daniel Bryan vs Braun Strowman. Forget everything else. This is the one.

Well, it didn't take long until the guy trolled again. That really was worth it.

Well, don't post in this thread then if that's your opinion. Because this thread is all about Rape Culture in pro-wrestling and talking about instances of it.

Hate to be the cynical one, but yeah. Just that. We'll see how it'll work out. BTW, is Maroon the doctor whom CM Punk having a case against ?

Too bad. It exists. It's everywhere. It's absolutely not unique to "Da Buziness".

To be perfectly clear and considering my post earlier, I want to state I did not complain about him nor asked for any ban. My answer just came from the fact that once it had been done, why bother, really, considering the case... I was thinking. Maybe he's Vanes Naldi.

No. He was a very poor gimmick poster. And probably a fraud too.

Well, Vince...