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Silent. It's a /ɛ/ sound in French. Now a funny fact : Levesque comes from L'évèque. Which means "the bishop". Now how do you say "bishop" in German ? Yeah, you guessed it... bischoff. I told you, WCW is coming.
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Well, that's his name, and as he's slowly getting more and more of an office figure, I guess at some point he'll be more refered under his real name. I always thought it was funny how he kept the acronym of an old gimmick that was passé by late 1997 when he became a star. I mean, "Triple H" just doesn't evoque anything concrete now, as when it does, it's basically the old Blue Blood gimmick from WCW...
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"Mick Foley who competed here under the name of Cactus Jack won their version of the world title. Yeah, that will put asses in the seats..." WWE under Levesque = WCW
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[1992-03-14-WCW-Saturday Night] Ricky Morton vs Brian Pillman
El-P replied to Loss's topic in March 1992
Ross could be quite annoying at this point, but I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary here. At least he wasn't shilling his hotline every two minutes. Anyway, this is just not a good match, and the perfect illustration of why the LH championship was a failure. Boring limb work that doesn't mean anything, Pillman brushes off all the eg work in one split second to do a sloppy headscissor, and wins with a very sloppy bridge. Morton was boring at this time, seriously going through the motions. It took him going to SMW and reuniting with Gibson to rule again. His matches with Brad Armstrong were just as boring and uninspired (and Armstrong never helps in those cases as he's solid as hell but not very exciting). (on the same TV show, Austin had a pretty good TV title match against Scott Steiner, in which Scott was surprisingly under control, and Madusa quite fun)- 10 replies
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[1994-10-15-WWF-Superstars] Bob Backlund and Arnold Skaaland
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1994
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The fact that they do nothing with Foley despite having him under contract just because Trip doesn't like the talking point of Foley making him a star back in the days is pretty telling.
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Really well done angle. Rude is great, Sting is all serious, feels "real". I have no time for Nikita after his horribly boring heel stint in 91.
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Luger was pretty much WBF bound at this time. Which is hilarious when you think WWF was deep into the steroid deal... But hey, I enjoyed Luger quite a bit from 1989 to mid 91, and his stock went way up with me.
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[1992-02-29-WCW-Superbrawl II] Jushin Liger vs Brian Pillman
El-P replied to Loss's topic in February 1992
Mine would be either the Royal Rumble 92 or Flair vs Savage from WM8.- 22 replies
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They couldn't follow the three previous matches obviously, but it'd still a good match. It's also very interesting to me, after watching WCW from 89 to then, it's clear that after 2 and a half years of Luger being the superior worker, they reached the point where Luger finally doesn't care that much anymore and doens't work half as hard as he used to, while Sting finally got it and became a good worker. The heel turn after Flair left in 91 really killed Luger's spirit it seems. And he's roided out of his mind here, gasping for air after a few minutes. I actually like this match better than the GAB 90.
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[1992-02-29-WCW-Superbrawl II] Jushin Liger vs Brian Pillman
El-P replied to Loss's topic in February 1992
Really doesn't hold a candle to the great Liger matches from NJ to me. That said, it still made a strong statement about what the Light Heavyweight division should be as opposed to boring Brad Armstrong vs Ricky Morton matches with a bunch of headlocks. Really good stuff still, but 4 years too soon sadly for Pillman.- 22 replies
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[1992-02-29-WCW-Superbrawl II] Rick Rude vs Ricky Steamboat
El-P replied to Loss's topic in February 1992
Another MOTYC on the same card. Rude's selling is as great as you can get. The nuclear heat during the pre-match promo was awesome. Steamboat was great, but I think Rude was as good or even better here, really showed how far he got. Rude's peaking in 1992. The ending of the match doesn't bother me because it furthers the feud. Funny, I thought Madusa was the Ninja, but I haven't seen this in probably 10 years.- 24 replies
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Rude is really at his best at this point like it's been said. Great selling, does comedy yet keeps his asskicker aura, bumps like a king, delivers some cool offense on occasion, and generally rock solid. Pillman really looks like he deserves better than the useless LHW belt, although it allows him to work with Liger on PPV which is nice. But the guy has been one of the best worker in the company since 1989 at this point, and years of wallowing in the undercard damaged his star power potential. Here he shows he could hang on with the top of the card. Sadly nobody will really ever care. He should be along Dustin, Steamboat, Barry, Simmons. Instead, we'll get Nikita Koloff coming back as a face after a very poor stint the previous year... Anyway, very good match.
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Super fun TV match. Yes, with more time it could have developed into a great match with all the talent involved, but it got great heat and everyone did some cool stuff. It's kinda like the infamous 10-Man tag from Raw. WCW was running good TV matches like this on nearly every show. But an 8 man tag with no one being worst than good and with 6 out of 8 being downright super workers is rare enough and it does stand out even surrounded by the very good TV from this period. Rude busting out the missile dropkick was neat. So was Arn refusing to plunge into Sting's arms after two of his partners just getting gorilla press-slamed.
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Really ? He watched way too much Shawn Michaels' post comeback "epics"... From memory, this is one of the most fun War Games. The only thing that lacked is blood, but Funk's insanity makes up for it.
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[1994-09-18-WCW-Fall Brawl] Cactus Jack vs Kevin Sullivan (Loser Leaves WCW)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Another one bites the dust.- 11 replies
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The real post-Vince WWE could be fascinating for a while, watching how they handle the change.
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Jerry Jarrett I guess fits the bill. Giant Baba was at one time a great booker. Riki Choshu was at one time a great booker making NJ a money printing machine. Gary Hart in Texas I would guess is pretty damn impressive. Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette I don't see how they fit the "great booker" moniker. Neither have booked a successful promotion. Both are great promos, great managers, have some great creative ideas, but great bookers ? I don't see the argument. Gabe who ?
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What are we arguing about ? That WCW never pulled the trigger when they should and that Hogan ruined any chance of mid-carder being elevated ? Of course. I think they were close to pull the trigger on Austin in 1994 though. He was getting closer and closer to the top of the cards. I believe eventually there would have been a Flair vs Austin passing the torch deal. I mean, they had Vader, who still ruled, Sting in his prime, Flair was past his prime, Steamboat was done, Rude was done, they didn't had many other options but to elevate younger workers at the time. Of course Hogan coming in killed it. But really, to go back to Sulivan, a few awful months in 2000 can't erase two great money making years as far as WCW goes. There's no way he should be on a "worst booker ever" list.
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Agreed. Giant Baba was a great booker. Then he lost it. Everyone gets burned out eventually. The issue with modern WWE is that it's a revolving door of a bunch of writers, so it's hard to pinpoint who's really responsible for what.
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All of which was treated like a meaningless sideshow compared to the old guys on top. Not true. They were a very important part of the undercard. Of course, after a while the nWo took too much space, and things were never gonna change, but let's be realistic for a moment, does anyone think Perry Saturn or Dean Malenko deserved to be main eventers *anywhere* ? Even Benoit, I never really thought he was a guy that should be put on top except for some transitionnal stuff, he just didn't had the charisma or promo ability to do it. Eddie was the only one who had the star potential (like it was showed in WWE eventually). Of course WCW didn't make any new main event stars, but they did make a lot of upper-mid card names. If they were just a meaningless sideshow, I don't think they would have been seen as any big deal coming to WWF. Same thing for Rey. Yes, he was never pushed to the top by WCW, which was stupid, but he didn't became a star in WWF from nowhere, he was already a "star" in WCW. Well, they made Goldberg. Nash & Hogan had to kill him off. Of course their frustration was understandable, but in hindsight, did Dean Malenko and Perry Saturn had their best years in WCW or WWF ? The answer is pretty clear. I'm not defending Sullivan's booking in 2000, I'm just saying the idea that the Radz left because they were afraid they would get buried was a bit ridiculous. I'll have to check Sullivan's 2000 at one point, because my memorie is very fuzzy. I'm not sure I was watching very much at that time, Russo drove me out of town 6 months after driving me out of WWF.