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[1992-12-19-WCW-Saturday Night] Up Close w/Ron Simmons
El-P replied to Loss's topic in December 1992
Simmons push on top was nice for the initial pop. But reality is, it didn't work, on any level. Simmons just isn't that good of a worker, and to me his work went down during this period. I enjoyed him much more during the Doom days. And he's getting boring there...- 9 replies
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Hey, Steamboat just had a tag match against Eaton & Austin. Barry was a really good face, but I agree he's even better as a heel. Steamboat kicking ass his always cool, it contrasts with his "family man" white-meat babyface character.
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Kinda sad that Rude implies that Madusa blew the doctor to get the X-rays. Couldn't they be less mysoginic ? It worked with Francine because that was the whole character, but Madusa just isn't that kind of character, she's an asskicker, not a whore. Anyway, I really enjoys these interviews with Tony, just gave a more human, non "promo" aspect to the interviews, and Rude really shines here. Like the fact he points out he's been the top contender for a year and still never recieved a title shot. Making sense out of the booking holes.
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I'm totally down on Simmons at this point. He's just not a world champion, and his work looks more and more weak as time passes. Too bad Rude vs Simmons was called off, as I would have loved to see Rude win the WCW title at that point, and get a Vader vs Rude match teased in the interviews earlier in the show. Vader vs Sting work as good as they always do, and Simmons does a great power move on Vader, but this is nothing special as a whole. I did like the ending though.
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Oh man, I'll never hear the sentence " he shot on his opponent" the same way again.
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[1992-11-21-WCW-Saturday Night] Big Van Vader vs Dustin Rhodes
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Very good TV match. Yeah, Dustin was probably Vader's best opponent in the US. Kinda sad to think about their matches 6 years later in WWF compared to this one. The spin off bump on the concrete is indeed quite impressive.- 15 replies
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I liked the execution of the turn. It's very organic. Barry was more agressive all match long, and he's a veteran and former Horsemen, he's not like young Dustin whose been tag champ with Steamboat a few months before, so he has a valid point about wanting to get the pin on the injured Steamboat, accident or not. Dustin coes comes off a bit hollier than thou as a white meat babyface, but at the time it still worked very well. Windham is pretty awesome and the best of the four there, and Douglas shows how much he has improved since the Dynamic Dudes, the bump he takes neck first on teh top rope is brutal. The only thing that didn't work with his work was that the belly to belly was definitely a weak finisher. Very good match, very good angle.
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[1992-11-18-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXI] Sting vs Rick Rude
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Never saw this one before, and although Rude on control can be dull at times, I think this was a perfectly good match, and they worked an exciting final stretch. Nice sellings and transitions, I don't see what's disapointing about it. I liked the judges finish becaus it protected Rude from being pinned.- 8 replies
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[1992-11-18-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXI] Music Video: Tom Zenk & Johnny Gunn
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
I was expecting an über gay video a la Jim Powers/Alex Wright/Renegade/Joe Gomez on Nitro in 96, but no, it was vintage 80's blowjob tag team video, complete with those guys having threesomes with the girls (well, that was alluded anyway). Brandi's mullet is pretty glorious.- 13 replies
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Scorpio is Simmons new partner because.... well, he's a "brother" apparently. Doesn't matter, Scorp looks like a star here, and should habe become much more than he ever did in WCW or WWF. Thankfully he showed up in ECW.
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[1992-11-14-WCW-Saturday Night] Dustin Rhodes vs The Barbarian
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Another good TV match. Started off a bit on the sloppy and hesitant side, but there's plenty to love here, as highlighted by Tomk's review. The powerslam is fantastic, as Dustin is a really big guy to turn around in mid air. Barbie has a focused offense on the back, and Dustin's selling is efficient. Good tease and counter of the bulldog spot. I only thought the finish was a bit cheap, but I guess it worked as Barb really went all the wya into the post.- 7 replies
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[1992-11-07-WCW-Saturday Night] Rick Rude vs Barry Windham
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Really good 10 minutes TV match between two of the best workers of the year in the promotion. Windham looks really big next to Rude, and I'm not saying this because he's getting on the fat side. I like Rude without the stache too. Any style suits the man. Some nifty stuff like Windham putting on the brakes and not crashing on the post outside, or the way he just launches Rude on his ass at the beginning. Madusa looks great but does nothing, I guess the "face turn" against Paul E. prevented her from being too involved. Kinda sloppy finish, but strong TV match otherwise.- 11 replies
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[1992-11-07-WCW-Saturday Night] Up Close w/Jake Roberts
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Creepy guy Jake is. I like that he adresses the fact other people used the DDT before and stopped as soon as he showed up because they got scared.- 9 replies
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[1992-11-07-WCW-Saturday Night] Brian Pillman, Tom Zenk and Paul E. Dangerously
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Why was Z-Man employed for so long ? Maybe because he was a pretty good worker that was useful as a utility guy on the lower undercard. I think Zenk gets a bad rep and I don't get why. He wasn't overly charismatic, and but he delivered his share of pretty good stuff in the ring over the years.- 7 replies
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Erik Watts dominating Bobby Eaton while both Paul E. and Michael Hayes are at ringside. Then Erik Watts winning the match by pinning... Michael Hayes. Holy shit, not only Erik Watts was a shitty overpushed rookie but Bill Watts booked shit that Vince Russo would do. Wrestling is back. Watts was a tool (Bill, I mean).
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Michael Hayes is much better as a manager than he was a worker at this point. But watching Paul E. being put on the sides is depressing. Not as depressing as the horrible Bobby Eaton vs Erik Watts match that followed though. One of the worst Eaton match I've seen.
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Marcus Bagwell's debut was handled well. Erik Watts's debut is already grating.
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Another tournament ? Really ?
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After Finally rewatching Halloween Havoc, I have to disagree. The show sucked, and the booking was a large part of why it sucked. There was no reason to book yet another 30 minute matches between Windham/Dustin & Doc & Austin with an awkward screwy finish involving two referees. Especially when the same kind of finish would happen in the NWA title match, which was unexplicably terrible. Chono was hurt at this point, but still, I can't explain to myself how Rude and Chono can have a MOTYC a few months before and have such a stinker there. Even with Chono's injury. I have no idea if the rumour of Watts telling them to not show off the boys is true or not, but still it's bizarre to see Rude do so less after being so damn good all year long. Plus again the booking was confusing, as Madusa was accompanying him depsite having turned herself face a few minutes earlier by kicking the shit out of Paul E.. The WCW title match showed that Simmons was definitly a bad choice as a champ, and Barb a bad choice as a challenger, the match had no aura at all and they worked like a throwaway TV match. Nothing bad with what they did, but Simmons just didn't had it, couldn't work a compelling match and just didn't work as a champ. Same thing for Jake vs Sting, after all the great promos and promises of violence, the gimmick killed the idea of having an intense match, and Jake just wasn't capable of working a great or even interesting main event match at this point. So, again, bad idea to put him in this spot. All talk, no walk. Not to mention Watts building WCW around hardcore *wrestling* having a main event ending on a guy being bit by a cobra just looked out of place. So, it did have the best build for any big Watts shows thus far, but the matches showed most of them were a bad idea to begin with.
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[1992-10-25-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Sting vs Jake Roberts (Coal Miners Glove)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
What a letdown, as this whole PPV was, really, with all three big main event just not delivering at all. Stupid gimmick, and Jake, as much as he could cut awesome promos, just never was much of a worker after his Mid South stint. After all that talk of ending carreers and hate and perversion, we get people working on each others arms. Okay... Sting swinging around the pole is vintage cool Sting athletic spot, and the snake bite is sick, but the match is so-so at best (which makes it better than Simmons vs Barbie and Rude vs Chono, very sadly).- 15 replies
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[1992-10-25-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Paul E. Dangerously and Madusa
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Paul E. as a hysterical chauvinist pig is pretty great, as is Madusa kicking him in the face and tearing him a new asshole. Great segment.- 10 replies
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[1992-10-25-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Ricky Steamboat vs Brian Pillman
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Solid match I thought. The rude Philly crowd (including infamous ECW Hat Guy on the first row) chant "this match sucks" at Pillman & Steamboat. Retards.- 8 replies
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Good match for 20 minutes, much better than I remembered it actually. Very much a WIlliams/Gordy style go-go-go match. Austin is clearly over with the Philly crowd, and Williams looks great. That said, the last ten minutes shows the match slowly loses his pace and dynamic, and the finish is really terrible and confusing. Good match hurt by poor booking.
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This show did nothing for me, and I usually enjoy nostalgia shows. Reminded me why DX was so unbearable with their 10 minutes long intro routines consisting of retarded catchphrases. The Mick Foley and Bret hart cameos were useless and not particulary cool. Not much in term of surprise cameos that were relevant to RAW history. The last segment was really good with a nice heel turn. The Trip/Heyman/Stephy segment was terrible. Yeah, Lesnar is thrown into Trips arms because Heyman got bullied around by Stephy. Yay. Rock is getting a title match at Royal Rumble, why ? Because, I guess. Anyway, heel CM Punk will probably be fun, and the Rumble to WM period will be interesting simply because of star power, but I've totally lost interest in Lesnar at this point.
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[1992-10-17-WCW-Saturday Night] Up Close w/Paul E. Dangerously
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Watts has been called many things. That being said, he did put a brutal halt to Scotty Flamingo's push too.- 10 replies
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