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Matt Hardy disagrees with you. Matt Hardy thinks Shawn was a much more smarter wrestler after he came back in 2002. Yep.... Well.....

Agree with this and what Dylan said. That's pretty much it.

In US only. Then you can add a good 250 in Mexico, a nice 250 in Japan, not counting women. At least.

The speech was all about Cena making light of everything and being a happy-go-lucky fucktard when he should have been carried on a stretcher.

I haven't seen that much early Regal stuff in WCW, but my recollection of the Zbyszko match is that it was excellent.

I never heard of this match before. I don't see what's any special about it. Well, yes, there's something special about it actually since it's the first time Koloff looks decent since he came back after some putrid matches. His offense still suck, so he seems better at selling, and since Hughes is bigger than him, it kinda works. Nothing more than a decent short TV big man match though.

Well, there is that too. The Flair matches are awesome. I'd argue that in 1988, Windham was better than Flair in their matches.

I'm talking about 1992, and thus far, he's just fine with stamina. Windham was a machine and the most graceful wrestler I've ever seen this side of Misawa and Shinzaki. No matter if he put on a little weight, he was amazing to watch. From memory 1993 is the beginning of him sliding down indeed, although fat Windham is still really good.

Because apart from Steamboat, he's the most experienced at working long matches, and he was probably still one of the 2 or 3 best workers in the company at this time.

Heenan was pretty heartbreaking to watch there.

These are the ones I've seen thus far : Felt a bit rushed, but not bad, as Zenk is usually pretty dependable as the undercard competitive JTTS. Austin is slowly going into his groove, although depending too much on restholds at times during control segments... Bad match. I like Taylor and Valentine a lot, but the Freebirds are useless at this point. They probably could have worked a decent 10 minutes go-go match but you don't want to give the Birds any time to kill. Taylor has been one of the best worker on TV since he turned heel in late 90, but there is no hope with going this long with the Birds. God awful. Zbyszko is a guy whose stock went up since he showed up in WCW, being quite the workhorse actually in tag matches and delivering quite a bit of offense and fun badmouthing. Going single against Nikita for 25 minutes, forget it. He stalls efficiently at first but then he has to do something with Koloff, and there's nothing to get out of him. Koloff's offense consist of 90% of restholds, and he proceeds to blow stuff up still. Eye gougingly boring match. Hey, this one actually had potential to develop into something as Windham is one of those guy who can go long. Of course, after giving Nikita and the Birds 25 minutes, Windham and Austin get 5. Fuck you Dusty. Good for what it is. I like Arn a lot. I like Bourne quite a bit, and he usually worked around the ridiculous Big Josh gimmick efficiently enough, but they just can't go 35 minutes. A very good 15 minutes match is buried into overlong work the limb sequences. Arn wins the first fall while holding the ropes. Josh wins the second one while holding the tighs (which evil midget Jason Hervey proceed to notice, playing heel after sucking up to the faces during the show) and Arn wins the third fall with the spinbuster. Much ado about nothing.

Talk about a reliable source...

Yes, Spivey retired in late 1995 because his kness were completely shot. Hell, his knees were shot in the early 90's. There's no way he would have came back in 1998.

Even way past his prime, old and slow in the late 80's and early 90's, Ivan Koloff was still a good worker. So he must have been pretty damn good in his prime.

Haven't seen that much of him in the 80's, but from what I saw he was pretty much a tool whom Flair and Ricky Morton worked around while way past his prime Ivan or green as shit Darsow carried the load of the work for the team. The Warlord was more fun...

This. The more time passes, the less I remember or care about dates and such.

Because he's totally worthless. Seriously, as worthless a worker I've seen. Can't work a lick, cut brutal promos, shitty character (the former USSR guy who sucks up to America now that his country is "free" and sucks up to Sting). Can't even do a proper lariat and that's his only move. Way down the pit of my all time worst shitlist. I'd rather watch Tiger Jeet Singh.

The issue with 2/3 is that if it goes under 30 minutes, it feels rushed. And the reality is that not many workers, as good as they are, can go 30 minutes and stay interesting. Arn sure couldn't do it with Bourne. Dustin, Pillman, Austin, Rude aren't guys I want to watch for 30 minutes. Around 20 minutes, yes, but you can't work a satisfying 2/3 falls in 20 minutes. Really, the only ones that could go 30 minutes for sure at this point would be Steamboat and Windham, and probably Arn/Eaton in a tag. The more I see it unfold in context, the more I think it was a pretty bad idea. Especially when you put guys like Nikita Koloff and the Freebirds in those matches. The new format of Saturday Night has clearly taken the product down to me, and I know there will still be overlong matches under Watts. On the positive side, The Steamboat vs Rude feud takes an interesting twist with the heels accusing Steamboat of stalking Madusa. And Vader vs Sting profiling is nothing but good news.

Jason Hervey calling a boring 35 minutes match between Arn and Big Josh. I'm dying again. I'm sure Triple H loved those 2/3 falls matches on WCW Saturday Nights, because putting workers who had no business working that long seems to be the whole point.

Rather funny segment with Paul E. disguised as a heckler in the crowd. Missy is ridiculously hot.

So far these 2/3 falls matches have been totally dreadfull. Somewhere in those 35 minutes there's a really good 10 minutes match, but really, neither have the offense to sustain interest for 35 minutes. Arn working the arm is fine but after a while it just put me to sleep, because it goes nowhere.. No story told, just a bunch of stuff to fill time. Long doesn't equal good, and this is not a good match, this is a boring overlong match. Way to waste two good workers (although Matt Borne really was much better as Doink, as showed by his matches with Jannetty and Hennig the following year). And yeah, Jason Hervey is fucking unbearable.

No way. Raven went straight from ECW to WCW in 97, and was locked up for several years. Plus Kane was always supposed to be a Taker clone. I think Jacobs was always supposed to get the part.

Gary Hart called him Virgil a few times in early 88. Gary Hart always called Flair "Ricky", which amuses me quite a bit.

Totally agree. That's was my exact feeling about his ridiculous promo on Raw the other week when he basically buried Brock and put over his match with Taker at Mania as "realistic".

I enjoyed that it made sense out of his past heel turn and didn't came back as a face from nowhere, also burying Luger was funny, but Nikita is a total tool is the ring, I have no interest in watching him, he did nothing but suck since he came back the previous year.