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Yeah, he is terrible. The problem is that WWE likely has no interest in him (much like NJPW does), so he'll be having bad matches in all the major indies for years to come. Until he signs with a MLB team, of course. Elgin at one point legit didn't know the difference between ROH style and other styles like lucha, shoot or brawling. It amazed me how someone could wrestle and not have any idea about that.
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NOAH happened exactly as I predicted it would. I was saying by 2004 they need to make new stars. By 2005 before Misawa's death, I was saying if Misawa or Kobashi goes down, they are in big trouble. Then Misawa dies and over the years Kobashi breaks every body part possible. Now Kenta, Akiyama, Go, Marufuji, Morishima, Kobashi and Misawa and are all gone. They are lucky that NOAH is alive at this point. NOAH did what they could with Morishima but while he was a good worker, he didn't have a ton else going for him. He wasn't good looking and he didn't have charisma. It doesn't really matter though. When you have all-time stars like Misawa and Kobashi, you need a generation to fail after them so people can get over it and get ready for the next next stars. Oh and they should have cashed in on Mutoh vs Misawa/Kobashi and one last Kobashi/Kawada match while they had the chance. Millions down the drain for politics.
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35 year old Dave and I were sitting in Yokohama Arena watching this card 20 years to the week before this year's Mania: http://prowrestlinghistory.com/supercards/japan/women/ajw/queen.html#iii Setting aside the "shootboxing" match in the prelims, I'd be surprised if he would rate the Divas match *close* to any of the other matches, let alone above any of them. The WON with the star ratings for that show appears to be online: April 10, 1995 Observer Newsletter: WrestleMania XI in-depth report, Weekly Pro Wrestling show at the Tokyo Dome, major World Championship Wrestling shake-ups, tons more Someone may want to go pull them over for comp. Jdw, can you believe that for a short period after Wrestlemania, Dave thought WM 31 was superior to this AJW show and all of the other AJW cards like Dreamslam, DreamRush and Big Egg?
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I regret: - That the VCR wasn't commercialized until the 80's. - Not being alive during the territory area and not being in one of the better territory area's - Not being in Japan during the 80's/90's
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Tell Me About FMW and 90s Japanese Sleaze
rzombie1988 replied to concrete1992's topic in Pro Wrestling
FMW didn't get too sleazy until near the end, when they adopted WWE's style of entertainment. They did do some things like having Onita recreating the Invader killing Brody incident, but that's all I can think of for their pre-WWE run. Once they adopted entertainment, well they had Team No Respect dancing in underwear, Hayabusa getting fireworks shot out of his ass, pornstars and more. The return is really not what you think it is. Since FMW died, there has constantly been an FMW offshoot of some sort running whether it was WEW or WMF. Onita ran some Onita Pro shows and multiple shows have been run under names with FMW in them. It's seriously nothing to really think twice about and it is highly unlikely to be anything noteworthy. You can compare it to a less popular version of current ECW-tribute indy shows. It's going to draw between 300-500 people max and everyone on the show is near or over 40. FMW is split into three era's: The Onita Era - It was basically a one man show with Onita and whoever his villian was at the time. Onita was very popular and a huge draw for his big deathmatches. Other than that, there was really nothing going on. You'd get some martial arts type matches, matches with rejects from other promotions, Sabu and the odd legend or two. Post-Onita Era - FMW got away a little from some of the violence and had some great wrestling with Mike Awesome, Hayabusa, Masato Tanaka and Kanemura. This is a really fun period of FMW with some great matches. Megumi Kudo becomes FMW's second top star and is the most popular female wrestler in Japan for a bit. Onita eventually comes back and then goes again. Entertainment Era - FMW basically gets forced by their satellite provider to turn into WWE-Lite. Lots of talking, goofy gimmicks and stips and Attitude era crap. -
Tanahashi was always like Cena on impact moves and believeable offense. He just gets away with it because he's a good wrestler otherwise and it's been so long that it's a moot point. Neither of them are going to change so I just gave up being angry about it and accepted it.
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Picking a diva isn't wrong at all. They don't have to be clumsy, or have no knowledge of wrestling or not train, they just choose to. I get that they have little time and direction so their matches aren't great, but they still don't have to botch spots consistently.
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Mine are: - Just WWE as a whole. I am so over that promotion and I've watched less wrestling than ever in 2014 and 2015. - Referring to the internet fans as dorks in 2015. Fine, a bunch are, but can you imagine an NFL fan not going to the internet to talk about a game/team or Game of Thrones fans staying off Twitter? It's just so out of touch. It's also the same company that tries to force people to go on twitter and stuff a million times during their shows. - Everyone falsely remembering Daniel Bryan's WM 30 as this planned out amazing and long time angle coming to an end. DB got abused for weeks on end, then they tried to turn him heel with the Wyatts. Then it didn't work, the Royal Rumble happened, Punk left and people booed Batista. The storyline also marked the beginning of the Authority being on TV forever IIRC. In 2015, we've also seen that nothing has really changed and DB is still being misused and wasted. - Anyone calling WM31 the greatest show ever or one of the best shows ever. No. - ROH's love of small, uncharismatic workers with no personality. I'd rather see two big lugs pound each other than see the flipz - Now it's irrelevant, but ending Taker's streak. Brock didn't need to beat the streak to be a monster, but booking him to lose against HHH and Cena didn't make him look like a monster.
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I was really surprised by the lack of buzz and news from Wrestlemania weekend with ROH. Seriously heard very little about them aside from the Friday show, assuming they had a friday and a saturday show.
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Can't really say, but it is way easier to be a celebrity now and have most people not know who you are than ever before.
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The more things change the more they say the same. I waited for years for HHH to be off tv weekly, then when he's done as a full-time wrestler, he comes back with The Authority.
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Already got into this multiple times on multiple boards with people, but I'm just shocked at all the love this show got. I don't think this was a great wrestling show and I feel disappointed that standards have dropped so bad that some people are calling this "the best show evah!!!". I seriously feel so out of touch with wrestling when people say stuff like that. I think it's bad for wrestling if this is considered to be such a great show, because it really lowers the standards and makes sure people don't know what good shows actually are. Liked the main and didn't think Rollins' cash-in really accomplished anything. It just seemed like a cop out to a booking situation that they shouldn't have put themselves in in the first place. Like hey, we don't have a good answer so lets get Rollins out there to bail us out. I thought a win or a loss for Reigns would have done more for him and Brock should have kept the belt. I thought the battle royale was awful with the booking seemingly being made to try to enrage the IWC as much as possible. I also hated the NWO/DX thing as they were all hugging each other the night before and now hate each other and Sting had a long history with the NWO. Also was disappointed with Rusev losing as I don't know where he goes from here and a Brock/Rusev match would have been great.
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I'm not buying the IC and US titles will be equal to the World title thing. I guess we will see, but I know if they do a bad rating, that's gonna be the first thing to go. It's hard for me to buy that belts that have been treated like crap will suddenly be relevan.t I'm not sure what you do with DB going forward, especially with it looking like Roman Reigns is going to bust. You could always do another Cena match or the Brock match at some point, but I'm thinking he's gonna get stuck in the Ziggler spot, especially with the crowd giving up.
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I'll be working, so I'll only see some of it. I'm not really excited for it. I'm interested to see who ends with the belt at the end of the night and to see Roman get booed out of the building, but there's no match I really care about or am looking forward to otherwise. I guess I want to see some of the big entrances otherwise. WWE had a goal this year - make sure everyone except Brock is as unlikeable as possible and make sure no one cares about them. They've accomplished that goal.
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Some ideas for wrestling after watching a few soap opera's
rzombie1988 replied to rzombie1988's topic in Pro Wrestling Mostly
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I'm sure I'm not the only one, but anytime I read or watch anything, I tend to think about how things would work out if this was wrestling. I'm always thinking about wrestling and trying to come up with different ideas on what wrestling is and can be. For the record, I've never seen a soap opera until about a week ago, atleast not in the traditional sense. I ended up finding basically a season of General Hospital from 1983 and was thinking about how pro wrestling could borrow a lot of things from them. I'd think we would need a completely fresh presentation of wrestling to make it work, but I think some things could be borrowed. You'd need a really open mind on what wrestling is, but something might be there. The main things that really impressed me were: - The fact that they had 5 storylines or more playing out 3-5 times per week. You don't like one storyline? There's a few others to choose from. While they usually weren't all amazing, they all ended up at worst making sense and at best being great. The amount of work that had to be put in to some of these things was impressive. They also made all the characters equally important and pushed/depushed them depending on where they were in the story. - Storylines beginning/ending at different times with there never being a time where there is nothing going on. There's no day after Wrestlemania period where the season ends. - Characters referencing/analyzing other characters and bringing up histories and past interactions. All of the characters seem connected in some way. I feel like I know the characters already before seeing them as they get played up and talked about. I guess some of this would be in the announcer's hands, but current announcers are so bad that I'd never trust it. I just think it'd be cool to get like say Kofi Kingston's thoughts on Brock or something and then building somehow off of that. - They make it so that you can't miss an episode or multiple episodes. There's seriously no good place to start as current storylines build on past storylines which built on past storylines. They referenced tons of stuff that I didn't see but now want to see to understand the story better. As for missing an episode here or there, I watched about 3 weeks straight and one episode was missing. While I only missed one episode, I felt like I missed a lot. Wrestling needs to copy from this. I feel like I can miss an episode of Raw and be okay, but I am really wanting to see that one episode of General Hospital that I missed out of three weeks. This is how I should feel when missing an episode of Raw. - The use of parties, social events and other gatherings of various sorts to get different characters to interact and to build storylines. In theory, I guess this would be your Royal Rumble or Battle Royale, but I feel like it could be other things like backstage segments. - The use of generalized and somewhat corny professions to build stories. You usually tend to have a doctor, a policeman/detective, a mobster and sometimes like a restaurant owner who end up butting their head into whatever is going on somehow. These are all pretty simple and easy characters to do, and maybe wrestling could borrow from it. Maybe Randy Orton is pressuring the WWE doctor for scoops on how bad John Cena is injured for their upcoming match or maybe a head of security is in charge of figuring out who attacked a wrestler(most relevant example I can think of is Foley trying to figure out who ran over Austin). Maybe it's kind of hokey, but I think there could be something there. One thing I'd also like to see is a promotion do a kayfabe death of a character. Comics kill off people, movies kill off people, so why can't wrestling? I know wrestling is quasi pushed as a sport/tv show, but it really is just a show at the end of the day and the wrestlers are no different than your average TV character except for the bumps. WWE obviously looked into this idea with Vince's limo explosion and it would have been interesting to see where it may have gone. Are soap opera's pro wrestling PWO? Or is Pro Wrestling a soap opera?
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Any gimmick you think of with 3 _____ black guys is going to come across as racist to race baiters. 3 happy black guys? Racist. 3 tough black guys? Racist. 3 angry black guys? Racist.
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I'll believe it when I see it. A 38 year old, who doesn't speak English, with no background in wrestling, with drug/PED issues, who is lighter and smaller than what WWE wants by a promotion that has made it known they don't want MMA guys is going to be signed by them? Doubtful. If I'm going to sign an MMA guy and I'm WWE who likes their hosses, I'm going with Cro Cop(his story writes itself as does his finisher of his high kick), Sapp or other tall/ripped dudes.
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There's a few Tom Magee matches out there on the net. A few from Germany, one vs Choshu, vs Wajima, a tag and one with Tim Horner.
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I don't know what Dave could really have that no one else doesn't WWF wise. The only way would be if someone from inside was hooking him up with stuff that was taped but not aired, which doesn't seem like it would be much. I could see him having some stuff from other territories or Japan that the recorders missed. Probably doesn't matter though as I'd think most of his stuff is ruined anyway from sitting in his shed, OUTSIDE, for 30 years. I remember him talking about seeing the Bret v Tom Magee match on tape at some stage. Fairly sure he's in a minority there... Yeah. I do wonder though if he really has it or not. Memories can be misleading. It didn't air anywhere, and WWE doesn't seem to have it(Colt Cabana tried hard to get it), so I always doubt whether he saw it or not.
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I don't know what Dave could really have that no one else doesn't WWF wise. The only way would be if someone from inside was hooking him up with stuff that was taped but not aired, which doesn't seem like it would be much. I could see him having some stuff from other territories or Japan that the recorders missed. Probably doesn't matter though as I'd think most of his stuff is ruined anyway from sitting in his shed, OUTSIDE, for 30 years.
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I don't know how many more times it needs to be said. REALHERO ON DAILYMOTION.
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That would be an incredible waste of time and money for very little reward. It wouldn't drive a single new person to subscribe to the Network, and most of the episodes would remain unwatched. A 5-minute daily news show is an outdated concept when WWE.com and the rest of the web exist, and I can't imagine anything else compelling enough that the WWE could devote 30 minutes a day to. But you're right, the WWE Network has a lot of problems content-wise. I just don't think your ideas are viable solutions to those problems. Totally disagree. I listen to podcasts daily and most people I know seem to also. Day to day, there is nothing there to make me tune into the network which is a big problem.
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I don't subscribe and don't want it. I checkout my friends account sometimes for NXT only, but I really could just torrent it for free if I cared enough. There's absolutely nothing on the network for me. New shows and things to make me tune in each week? None, minus NXT, which I don't count. Old footage that hasn't been aired on 24/7 or made available? Nope. I have more stuff in my own collection than WWE has on the network at this point, which is sad. The only way they could get me is if they started being a real network by putting out brand new programming and showing old seasons in full. The fact that they can't even produce a 5-minute daily news show of some sort, yet alone a 30-minute show or more, just shows how little effort is put into this thing.