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Multi-man matches were always a pretty cool idea to me but let's face it - they are usually treated as unimportant, filler, skippable matches. I think multi-man matches have a lot of benefits to them: - You can do the usual 1v1 storyline/match, but you can layers on top of it - You can form new partners or new feuds - You can stir shit up by having partners/teammates in these - You can tease a match or even have the guys interact a bit, but still keep them away - You can add more fun to the mix if you put titles on the line, especially in situations where the champ doesn't need to get pinned - You can protect people With all of that being said, why can't promotions make 3-ways and 4-ways a thing? It seems easy enough, and the matches should be tons of fun with lots of mayhem going on, but yet no promotion seems to know how to do it right.

I could have sworn I saw clips of Rogers/Flair years ago with someone talking over it on a territory era show.

I reviewed this match here: http://prowresblog.blogspot.com/2017/02/all-japan-women-7311979-23-falls-wwwa.html The Black Pair of Mami Kumano and Yumi Ikeshita beat the Queen Angels of Lucy Kayama and Tomi Aoyama 2 falls to 0, with a backdrop suplex hold on Kayama in the first and a suplex hold on Tomi Aoyama in the 2nd. Really good match. The story of the match was that Kayama had a knee injury coming into it and The Black Pair were on it like flies. They were really great here as a Demolition-like team just stomping mudholes through people and throwing big knee drops. Kayama's offense is god awful but her selling is really good and made up for it. Tomi was good all match long showing lots of fire and I really liked her push kicks. The heels ripped off Kayama's knee tape then of course choked her with it while stepping on her head. In the second fall they used chairs and double teamed Tomi the whole way and even hung her with a headlock at one point before putting it away, as Kayama had to be carried out while her partner took a whooping. Really recommend everyone check out the Black Pair as they did a lot of simple things really well and made you very sympathetic to Kayama. Rating:***1/2 Some shots from it:

I disagree with that. I don't know what becomes of WWF in the New Generation era if there is no HBK or Bret.

They've tried with Reigns and uh, Reigns. Did I mention Reigns? Who else have they really tried with? They waited too long to give Daniel Bryan a shot despite him being the most over guy in the company. The first time they gave him the belt, he lost it seconds later to MITB Orton, then the title got held up soon after. Then they tried to turn him heel, then the crowd revolted and they let him win at Mania, then he got injured and that was it. Not totally WWE's fault, but they could have done better.

Omega loves the slapping. Spitting is fine. That's a form of selling though. Thigh slapping isn't.

On Reddit, they urged everyone to donate to the ACLU. The very next day? Paid ACLU ads all over Reddit lol Can't make this stuff up

I don't think there's anything they can book that would make me super excited, but I'll watch.

They make it very obvious

They haven't proven Cornette wrong. Omega and Owens might be headliners, but they are headliners in a declining wrestling period. Omega/Okada drew one of the smaller Domes ever at only 26,000. Yeah well, Bret, Nash, and HBK were headliners in a declining and dead wrestling period. Does that mean they weren't important or successful? Do you think they feel it doesn't count since the business wasn't as hot as it was a few years prior and a few years after? Kenny Omega just main evented a Tokyo Dome show for the title in front of 26,000 people in a match that the most famous wrestling critic and reviewer gave 6 stars to. Kevin Owens was just in a title match at the Royal Rumble in front of 50,000 people. Why do they give such a shit about what ONE asshole who, at his absolute peak, never was performing in front of crowds those sizes has to say about them? I'm sure Kevin's pay check from merch alone per year is more than Cornette was making in his prime in JCP. I'll bet you when it's all said and done, more people will know Nash, Hart and HBK than they will Kevin Owens. There's been a lot of matches over the years that were great and Dave gave no time or care to. There's people like Ayumi Kurihara who never even had one match reviewed. That was one of Dave's most bizarre ratings ever and makes me questions his ratings all together. They shouldn't care about what Cornette has to say much like he doesn't care what they have to say. I would hope Owen's worldwide merch makes more than Cornette's US only pay did. Who knows what they make, but it's not that hard to make above $40,000 a year on a developmental deal. Tyler Bate is making $20k/year. Then I don't even know what you're trying to argue here. Bret, HBK, and Nash were headlining WWF in its worst period ever. Yet if they're more remembered than KO, then what does it matter if KO is a headliner in a declining period? To say either are not successful when they're headliners in the top two companies in their profession because said companies aren't as popular as they were at other times is asinine. Would that Rumble show have drawn any different if Owens weren't on the card? No. The Rumble's name drew that house. Could anyone have been inserted into that role and it would have drawn the same? Most likely. WWE is a brand driven draw right now, and it's having one of its worst drawing periods ever. But I'm still willing to bet people like Shawn and Bret were still more relevant then than Kevin Owens is today. Owens is a replaceable piece in a company filled with replaceable pieces, by design.

They haven't proven Cornette wrong. Omega and Owens might be headliners, but they are headliners in a declining wrestling period. Omega/Okada drew one of the smaller Domes ever at only 26,000. Yeah well, Bret, Nash, and HBK were headliners in a declining and dead wrestling period. Does that mean they weren't important or successful? Do you think they feel it doesn't count since the business wasn't as hot as it was a few years prior and a few years after? Kenny Omega just main evented a Tokyo Dome show for the title in front of 26,000 people in a match that the most famous wrestling critic and reviewer gave 6 stars to. Kevin Owens was just in a title match at the Royal Rumble in front of 50,000 people. Why do they give such a shit about what ONE asshole who, at his absolute peak, never was performing in front of crowds those sizes has to say about them? I'm sure Kevin's pay check from merch alone per year is more than Cornette was making in his prime in JCP. I'll bet you when it's all said and done, more people will know Nash, Hart and HBK than they will Kevin Owens. There's been a lot of matches over the years that were great and Dave gave no time or care to. There's people like Ayumi Kurihara who never even had one match reviewed. That was one of Dave's most bizarre ratings ever and makes me questions his ratings all together. They shouldn't care about what Cornette has to say much like he doesn't care what they have to say. I would hope Owen's worldwide merch makes more than Cornette's US only pay did. Who knows what they make, but it's not that hard to make above $40,000 a year on a developmental deal. Tyler Bate is making $20k/year.

Wish I got to see that Black Terry vs Wotan match in full people were pimping last year, seemed like an easy MOTY.

They haven't proven Cornette wrong. Cornette liked Owens. He just thought he was overweight and was getting injured by doing dumb stuff. Omega drew one of the lowest drawing Dome shows of all-time at 26k and Owens isn't exactly spiking ratings, in a WWE world where the ratings have been on the decline for over 15 years. Bucks have done okay for Indy guys but their peak is 2,000 fans.

Agreed. NO to Shibata/Riddle. Little more than an extended Shibata squash and the match was built around no selling

I'd have to see who was asked and at what types of events.

I canceled it today, just for financial reasons. I just watch it for old stuff, and if they ever decide to completely lobotomize themselves and decide the world needs more seasons of Holy Foley! than classic wrestling, I'll still have it. I was watching Holy Foley today. I didn't think it was bad at all and is would be perfectly fine on TV. Mick is a decent sitcom dad lead and the brutally honest kid of his is hysterical. Mick comes across as really relatable and a guy you could see yourself on the couch watching sports with. I don't pay for the network though. It's not the price, but I hate monthly fees. I would rather give you $100 up front than $10 for 10 months. Of course I'll drop $100/month on video games without thinking twice lol

I would be very shocked if Trump does anything with wrestling. He's way too busy right now taking care of business and fulfilling the promises he made to us in record time. Wonder if PWO will ban people like DVDVR does when you bring up the guy?

My idea would be that they would have the various UK guys and future people they sign to work their usual places but film the matches for a WWE network show called like "The Best of the Indies" or something of that nature. They could loan out the various guys to indies, film the matches and make a show out of it. I think it would really interesting, it would get the guys/promotions exposure and it wouldn't force WWE to sign a bunch of guys they aren't going to be able to do alot with, because I don't think 205 Live nor a UK show is ever going to work with the guys they have right now. Just an idea though.

I guess the question is - What could that really be and to which audience is it going to pertain to? I really think the current indy audience gets a lot more credit for being bigger than it really is. The only things I could see being really fresh right now are: - A worked shoot promotion. USA isn't Japan though, UFC is already well-known and let's face it - you have to be a wrestling connoisseur to appreciate some of it. Something like a Battlarts might work a little better. - A real stand alone women's promotion. I feel the women are so untapped in the US. Guys will watch because they are girls. You go to places like 4chan and half the threads are about Asuka. But on a more serious note, there's nowhere for top female athletes to really go in the US, since the WNBA will never be a thing and UFC isn't for everyone. I kind of felt like NXT before they started signing everyone was the next big thing to take off. It took off but when they started pushing the already made guys over the new guys, it lost interest.

I didn't listen to it, but Omega is never going to be worth more than he was this month before he made his decision. He's highly unlikely to ever get that kind of buzz again. I would have used that to cash in on some big WWE bucks while I could. Who knows what will happen by next year. He could easily be injured, NJPW might be pushing someone else, he might be on the outs with NJPW, you just never no in wrestling.

I'd move Wrestlemania to the summer and swap Summerslam for a year-end event if it were me. Then Mania could be held anywhere. I would also pretty much just have Mania in places like LA, Las Vegas, Florida or NYC, where there's lots to do and there's something for everyone. I have no interest whatsoever in going to New Orleans.

I reviewed this match here: http://prowresblog.blogspot.com/2017/01/battlarts-1201998-yuki-ishikawa-vs.html Some shots from it: My thoughts: Yuki Ishikawa beat Alexander Otsuka with a Kimura at 16:47. Classic pro wrestling right here folks. Two dudes trying to simulate a fight to look as real as they could and they succeeded here. This was basic pro wrestling at its finest with guys getting the most out of basic moves and making it look real. They fought for everything, they resisted everything and they stiffed the hell out of each other. Yuki Ishikawa hit some great punches here. Both guys exchanged lots of nasty suplexes and MMA submissions. Near the end, Otsuka suplexed Ishikawa on his head multiple times and had Ishikawa barely able to answer the 10 count. Then Otsuka went for one too many suplexes and Ishikawa escaped it, setting up the kimura win. Simple stuff here that any one could do, but no one can because they don't get wrestling. It's pretty hard to find any real holes with this aside from maybe wanting to see more striking and a little bit more story. This was an excellent display of shoot style wrestling. Rating:****1/4

This can't be from the 30's. Haggerty was born in 1925. This is pretty cool. I thought the announcer and ref did a great job in putting this over. Murphy looked like a great face with awesome forearm shots and I liked Haggerty's various clubs on people. I really like tag team tornado matches and ECW's Double Jeopardy match which didn't take off. Really would love to see more.

We got a thread on Batista and it got me thinking and how Batista was able to do well and why Cena had a rough career at times. Cena was hot in 2002-2003 and was over with the IWC.WWE finally cements the turn in 2004 as Cena starts to become a less edgy rapper and a more generic face, going over people like Big Show, Carlito, RVD and Jesus before getting injured. Cena and Batista are the final 2 at the 2005 Rumble which will be remembered for Vince tearing his quad more than anything else. Cena then beats Angle and gets set up with JBL to give him the belt at Mania.Cena wins the belt at Mania 21, not really standing out next to HBK/Angle, Orton/Taker, Hogan's return, MITB and Batista winning the title. Cena feuds with JBL to close out the spring and then he makes the move that makes his career and then makes it famous at the same time - he goes to Raw. The very first night, as Cena is now the top dog on the top show, he rap battles Christian and Christian gets over big time in the process - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEdUawtPrTI.. This is the start of Cena's issues with the crowd. How does WWE follow this up? He gets put with the tweener Jericho, then Angle who got put with Daivari in a forced heel turn. Cena loses to Edge at New Years Revoluion, again dealing with another tweener guy, then gets put with Triple H, who buries him 10 times over in to Wrestlemania 22(which I went to), where Cena gets crapped on by the Chicago crowd, and Cena's career is never the same again. You would think WWE learns from all of this right and stops putting him with tweeners or faces, right? Nope. Enter RVD at One Night Stand. Another situation where Cena isn't the pure face and which exposes him more. Cena and Edge then restart their feud with one of the matches being a TLC...in Canada where Edge is cheered. Looking back on it, it appears WWE's booking above all else was the true culprit in turning half the crowd on him. While Cena's phoniness and loose offense didn't help, pairing your top babyface with a bunch of tweeners and forced heels isn't a recipe for success and it's not surprising at all Cena got half-turned heel.

I've seen his name mentioned a few times today, particularly in comparison with Cena. When looking back on it, Batista really didn't have a bad run at all. He was the WWE's #2 face. He was good as a baby face power wrestler and is probably what WWE wishes Roman Reigns could be. He had the look, he had a little bit of charisma to him and while not a classic worker by any means, he was good enough. What's everyone's thoughts on Batista?