Jmare007 Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 So they were announcing Ambrose vs Orton for tonight but they scrapped it and instead they are doing an Authority segment to "address the situation". Tonight might be one of those Vince scrapping everything at the last minute RAWs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 aaaand the changed it to Kane vs Ambrose and Cena vs Orton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Yeah because you can never get enough John Cena vs Randy Orton matches <_>Â Are they going to do anything live or the Network with Lance Russell. I know he is at RAW tonight and I thought Jerry was going to do something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I died at that "9.99" song. Sounded like Sum41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Could they make it any more obvious that there are most-definitely not concrete blocks at ringside? Â I know it's old hat to rag on the announce team, but goddamn are they terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 certainly feels like they are all in on Ambrose after tonight. They played his music at the end over Cena's. Whether they give him the big push going into Mania is another story. No mention of Heyman or Brock but still plenty of time till HIAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexstar Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I would like an entire one hour Network special dedicated to how Ambrose, in kayfabe, got in that box. Might win an Emmy if they play their cards right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 The most fun part about the show was seeing a member from another forum I go to pull up some funny ass signs. Even Cena acknowledged one     Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 btw, Nikki Bella trying to get the rights to the Bella name? Copying an angle from 2000 WCW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Yeah to this day we have to pay Stevie Ray a solid penny each time. I lost 6 cents on this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 So easy to fast forward through Raw. Don't think I've seen a single minute of Bo Dallas or the dude with the entrance since they debuted, they left such a bad first impression. Feel so bad for Titus O'Neill wrestling a fucking bunny. Â Think I'll be avoiding it for the next few weeks/months again, such tedium. The worst thing is there is no end in sight for the three hours, despite them clearly not having nearly enough material to fill it. Zero sense of excitement or unpredictability or urgency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 If Austin comes back he needs to job to a young star to make them  This is the kind of comment I hate and shows a real lack of reality to me, no offense  Nobody wants to see Austin come back and have his first match in over a decade at WM and lose. Maybe you do, but you'd be in a tiny, tiny minority  Who do you propose he should "put over" by losing?  God that would suck and be such a shortsighted waste of time. You don't bring back a LEGEND like Austin for one more match and beat him, lol. I'm so glad you're not booking WWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Â I don't want to see Austin come back. Austin getting that win over Brock does nothing to help them build their future whatsoever, even if does create one huge Wrestlemania. Ditto. And it's yet another nostalgia buil-up with a 50 year old guy who retired more than ten years ago. But that's what WM has become anyway. Since Taker will most probably never work again, they have to rely on the last few huge names they can still drag from their last golden era. It won't be pretty once they really all get too old to show up. Â Â Austin is ONE OF THE BIGGEST WRESTLING STARS OF ALL-TIME Â God, I hate to sound like a dick, but some of the reactions to the idea of Austin @ WM are so myopic and "in the bubble" Â You don't even watch or like WWE anyway, jeez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I guess it depends on your booking philosophy for Wrestlemania. Vince has often been accused of booking Wrestlemania to get the most attention at the expense of the rest of the year, whereas most of us would probably prefer logical booking that uses Wrestlemania as the payoff for things that have been brewing all year, planting the seeds for the next round of storylines.  If Brock loses to a part-time wrestler, then it throws the entire year of development into the trash. If he wins, it squanders the chance to elevate someone new for the coming year.  No.  Worst case scenario would have been Brock losing against Cena  also, Austin is a "part-time wrestler"? lol. No. He'd be a one time wrestler.  Also, who exactly do you want to "put over" be wrestling and beating Brock at WM? Roman Reigns? Yeah, I don't want to see that. Who else? Sheamus? lol. D-Bry? Doesn't need it.  It's WWE's own fault and problem that they don't have guys ready and built up and strong to step into a huge spot like that, I can criticize their booking and product with the best of them, but you don't bring a Steve Austin back to beat him at WM unless you have a sure thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Â This happened today. Â http://deadline.com/2014/09/wwe-stock-falls-concern-online-subs-838740/ Â I bet subscriptions dropped like a rock after the first six months were up. I let mine lapse. I'll be back for Rumble, but nothing about NOC made me want to fork over another $9.99* a month *with a six-month committment. Â Â Yeah, I did the same thing. I'll be back in January. I haven't missed the Network for a second. Put some AWA and UWF and Florida and Memphis on there next year and maybe I'll stick around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014   I don't want to see Austin come back. Austin getting that win over Brock does nothing to help them build their future whatsoever, even if does create one huge Wrestlemania. Ditto. And it's yet another nostalgia buil-up with a 50 year old guy who retired more than ten years ago. But that's what WM has become anyway. Since Taker will most probably never work again, they have to rely on the last few huge names they can still drag from their last golden era. It won't be pretty once they really all get too old to show up.   Austin is ONE OF THE BIGGEST WRESTLING STARS OF ALL-TIME  God, I hate to sound like a dick, but some of the reactions to the idea of Austin @ WM are so myopic and "in the bubble"  You don't even watch or like WWE anyway, jeez   How am I in the bubble if I don't watch WWE ? As far as not liking it, I was more interested by WWE as I've been in 15 years last year around Mania. And in a matter of a few weeks, they drove me off like they usually do, except this time around I really thought for a moment I could be back following them, to a point at least.  As far as Austin goes, thanks for pointing to me he was a huge star. I really missed that piece of information before making my statement. Austin is 50. Hasn't worked in years, probably shouldn't work again. Yeah, it could make for a really cool moment. Probably some really cool promos, although there's no way Austin can be as abrassive now as he was during his peak. And there's the risk of putting on a shitty match that will tarnish the good memories. Taker had one match too many (well, a few too if you ask me). Bret Hart should have never done this pathetic "match" with Vince a few years back. I don't really want to see Austin in anything but a great moment, and having him work a match at 50 after years of layoff just doesn't sound like the greatest idea. He had a great sendoff a few years back.  So yeah, Austin working another match will make a huge WM and create a lot of excitement. For a nostalgia pop, again. It reminds me the streak of big retirement Tokyo Dome shows NJ put on for Inoki and Choshu around 97/98. At one point, there won't be anyone left to call back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014  If Austin comes back he needs to job to a young star to make them  This is the kind of comment I hate and shows a real lack of reality to me, no offense  Nobody wants to see Austin come back and have his first match in over a decade at WM and lose. Maybe you do, but you'd be in a tiny, tiny minority  Who do you propose he should "put over" by losing?  God that would suck and be such a shortsighted waste of time. You don't bring back a LEGEND like Austin for one more match and beat him, lol. I'm so glad you're not booking WWE   You are supposed to use legends to put over young guys to make them stars....it's business....the problem with wrestling the past couple of decades are not enough legends have done that hence the rub is never there.  Honestly do you think if Austin worked Punk at Mania a couple of years ago that he would've wanted to go over Punk....no way....Punk should've and would've went over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russellmania Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I have no doubt that Austin would have and would still be willing to put over Punk if they could make the match happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 It'd be one thing if Austin was still a full-time performer whose career was winding down. But if WWE brings him back as a special attraction just to put someone over, I think the fans will reject that. Did Cena derive any tangible benefit from beating Rock at Wrestlemania? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 And it has to be done right you can't just throw him in willy nilly against someone without a hot angle behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 It'd be one thing if Austin was still a full-time performer whose career was winding down. But if WWE brings him back as a special attraction just to put someone over, I think the fans will reject that. Did Cena derive any tangible benefit from beating Rock at Wrestlemania? Â Cena didn't need to beat Rock......he was already a made man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 If you keep bringing back past stars at Mania you condition fans to think that everything was better back then and the current stars are not important, so don't bother watching the remaining eleven months of the year. Â How counterproductive would it have been to (theoretically) run Hogan vs. Savage at WrestleMania XIV? Â Eventually guys like Rock, Hunter, Taker won't be physically able to do one match a year. Then what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 I think there's a way to use a legend to get a new guy over without necessarily pissing the crowd off because the legend loses. Someone could wrestle a match and earn Austin's respect or what not. I think the point is to maximize the use of the legend, certainly. Part of that is popping a buyrate and protecting future buyrates(because you don't want to turn people off with how the legend was used), but building for when the legend isn't there is important too. Â He's more like the travelling NWA champ than Da Crusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 How bad is Austin's neck anyway? I remember the general consensus around 2003 was that he would be risking his life by ever stepping in the ring again. Why does his name keep coming up every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 The thing is if you have Austin work Mania next year....I don't know which heel on the roster is actually worthy enough of facing him since their pushes all pretty much stink these days. Rollins has been protected the strongest and even he has his issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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