Sean Liska Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't get too mad about it because they just exist to put people over. They both did clean jobs on SD. They don't want to sacrifice guys like Rusev and Wyatt now, so they build up Kane and Show to make Bryan and Reigns look good. That said, it didn't help Reigns. It just made everything even more painful for the Philly fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadic Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I still think we're looking at Rock/Brock II at 32 if Brock re-signs with WWE. That means Brock will probably remain as an "official" heel, which somewhat complicates the process of Reigns turning. Realistically, they should get the title of Brock prior to Mania, but that's also complicated. Given the Cena beatdown at Summerslam and the way he finished in the Triple Threat it's going to be damn near impossible to make Brock heel. The crowds have started to take to him even with Heyman running his mouth. I've got a feeling that Vince and Brock will eventually come to an agreement on staying with WWE with more money and some more dates. Why would you want to get the title off Brock? If anything his having the belt coupled with his limited exposure has made his matches feel special and rubbed off on the belt too IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I still think we're looking at Rock/Brock II at 32 if Brock re-signs with WWE. That means Brock will probably remain as an "official" heel, which somewhat complicates the process of Reigns turning. Realistically, they should get the title of Brock prior to Mania, but that's also complicated. Why would you want to get the title off Brock? If anything his having the belt coupled with his limited exposure has made his matches feel special and rubbed off on the belt too IMHO. I wouldn't, if they weren't so damn insistent and relentless on having Reigns challenge and defeat him. Essentially, Brock is fucking awesome as champion, but him losing clean (presumably) to Reigns at Wrestlemania will undo everything they've built with Brock over the past year or so. It's a wasted endeavor, because beating Brock isn't going to enhance Reigns in any way whatsoever, given the backlash to his positioning. So why do I want the title of Brock? So he doesn't have to lose to anybody, because nobody they are willing to give that rub to is deserving of it or will get any kind of real "rub" from it. They can get the title of him in a variety of ways that don't involve a "true" defeat. Specifically, Rollins could cash in on Lesnar after Lesnar is attacked and beaten relentlessly down by somebody (maybe the entire Authority after Heyman turns on Brock and masterminds the opportunity for Rollins to steal the title away?). Or, he could be forced to defend the title in another multi person match with somebody getting the win on somebody else and losing the title that way. Beating Lesnar (the man who ended the streak, the special attraction, etc, etc) is a massively valuable rub that nobody on the roster is deserving of. But because he's the champion (and they want Reigns to be champion at Wrestlemaia), he has to lose it soon and once Brock loses, the invincible otherworldy beast aura is gone. But, if merely loses the title through nefarious means, he's not truly beaten. Best case scenario? Reigns fails to beat Lesnar at Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 ignore, double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadic Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 So why do I want the title of Brock? So he doesn't have to lose to anybody, because nobody they are willing to give that rub to is deserving of it or will get any kind of real "rub" from it. They can get the title of him in a variety of ways that don't involve a "true" defeat. Specifically, Rollins could cash in on Lesnar after Lesnar is attacked and beaten relentlessly down by somebody (maybe the entire Authority after Heyman turns on Brock and masterminds the opportunity for Rollins to steal the title away?). Or, he could be forced to defend the title in another multi person match with somebody getting the win on somebody else and losing the title that way. Beating Lesnar (the man who ended the streak, the special attraction, etc, etc) is a massively valuable rub that nobody on the roster is deserving of. But because he's the champion (and they want Reigns to be champion at Wrestlemaia), he has to lose it soon and once Brock loses, the invincible otherworldy beast aura is gone. But, if merely loses the title through nefarious means, he's not truly beaten. Don't get me wrong, I thought the match was phenomenal but they booked themselves into a huge hole in doing so. However you've pointed out the biggest problem with putting the strap on Lesnar in the first place. No one in their right mind is going to believe Reigns can beat him when he destroyed Cena and broke the Undertaker's streak. The best thing they could've done was have Cena pin Rollins, Brock goes batshit crazy and proceeds to beat Cena down to a pulp, Rollins cash the case and get the strap. Problem solved. Now they're in the spot where they're going to push someone who isn't ready and no one is going to believe he could do it all on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'm intrigued about this announcement... The coolest thing ever would be making The Rock wrestle Roman Reigns at Fast Lane with Reigns' spot in the title match at Mania on the line. That would be great, everybody would shit over the match and cheer The Rock, Reigns wouldn't get over despite winning, and he'd get booed out of the building. But then... What if they use that match to turn Reigns, align him with Heyman? That probably doesn't make sense unless Lesnar turns his back on Heyman and goes full blown face. Uggh, no. That would not be the coolest thing ever. What claim does Rock have to Reigns's title shot? Why would anyone be interested in Rock vs. anybody at this stage? Why do we need to dig up relics to bury the current roster over and over? There's a good chance the fans would shit all over both guys if they did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't agree with this at all. What claim does Rock have to Roman Reign's title shot? He has none, it's merely based on the idea that Triple H might be dastardly and force Reigns into defending his shot against somebody because of Rock's assistance in the Rumble. Had Rock not interfered and stopped Big Show and Kane from beating Reigns down and presumably eliminating him, Rusev would have won. What a better way to attract heel heat (since Triple H gives the impression that he views himself as the prime heel on the roster) than force two babyfaces (and family members) to face one another for a huge opportunity belonging to the other? Why does Rock need to be involved at all? He already is, that was WWE's decision, presumably hoping a Rock endorsement would fix the rejection of Reigns. Why do we constantly need to bring relics into the present to shit all over the current roster? We don't, but these relics are more popular and bigger drawing than most of the current WWE roster, thanks to incompetent booking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chief Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I was thinking, how much of an uphill battle will Orton and Sheamus have when/if they come back as faces? Both guys I'm almost positive will be positioned above Ambrose, Dolph and possibly even Bryan. That could get ugly the way the crowds are reacting to "same old shit" right now. There's a good chance Sheamus could be turned heel but there's no way they can turn Orton back after the authority just gave him the boot. They would probably be better off waiting until the crowd hostility cools off before bringing him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastic Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 There's a good chance Sheamus could be turned heel but there's no way they can turn Orton back after the authority just gave him the boot. They would probably be better off waiting until the crowd hostility cools off before bringing him back. Orton's definitely coming back as a face, whether or not he receives some character refreshment is another thing. That's the issue with Orton, he becomes stale rather quickly in the face role, in spite of his popularity. I'd like to see them try something new with him, perhaps an outlaw style character, reminiscent of 97 Sting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'm intrigued about this announcement... The coolest thing ever would be making The Rock wrestle Roman Reigns at Fast Lane with Reigns' spot in the title match at Mania on the line. That would be great, everybody would shit over the match and cheer The Rock, Reigns wouldn't get over despite winning, and he'd get booed out of the building. But then... What if they use that match to turn Reigns, align him with Heyman? That probably doesn't make sense unless Lesnar turns his back on Heyman and goes full blown face. Maybe they might shove Hunter in the title match this year as he didnt get what he wanted last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Looks like it's gonna be Bryan/Ziggler at WM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 I gave Johnny Sorrow a hard time about the booking of the Rumble on the reaction show but if this was the Daniel Bryan show instead of the Roman Reigns coronation, every single piece of criticism we had would have made sense. I hate that Kane and Big Show were in until the end. However, if DB is the guy facing them down, the history could have carried the day. DB beat Big Show for his first world title run and was his "buddy" and Kane was his ex tag partner. If Rusev did the sneak attack thing, you have a perfect heel set up for Bryan post-Mania (with awesome matches to boot). If Rock comes out and endorses Daniel Bryan... they are still cheering in Philly. I agree Will. Though one other thing is Bryan would have worked a heck of a lot harder than Reigns. One of the knocks on him in this match from SCSA to Jericho and us was that Reigns kinda sat around and did nothing. So it even excaserbated the issue. He didn't even seem like he should fight for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 So the revised lineup of announced matches for the house show I'm taking my nephew to on Sunday is John Cena vs Seth Rollins in a Street Fight, Dean Ambrose vs Bray Wyatt, Daniel Bryan vs Luke Harper, and Dolph Ziggler vs Bad News Barrett. Should be fucking great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bierschwale Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 The thing I don't understand is how are they gonna put Reigns title shot on the line considering he won it fairly and decidedly. The Rumble was booked so no one had any reason to bitch about being eliminated (besides just not being good enough), so after the boos the heel authority figure is just gonna retcon it and give fan favorites another chance?? Nah, I don't see it. Maybe a super-troll match with Reigns, Bryan (because he has the right to a match for the title), Ambrose, Ryback, Wyatt, and Ziggler (the four eliminated by Kane and Show together, in order to show that The Authority believes in a fair fight) in a six-pack for the WM title shot. Just a total "fuck you". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Wow, you're not going to get a better house show than that. Enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 Triple h and Stephanie will be at the SB tomorrow. Apparently as guests of the Patriots. Hopefully Bryan's team gets to go over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cm funk Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 As a diehard New Englander.....I hope not I wanna say one thing about this D-Bry stuff.......I have friends who don't watch or care about wrestling who like him. Like, "oh, yea, that crazy dude, I like him". Which is super cool. Reigns....? I doubt these same people know who he is.....or care. I should show these people Shield matches. But anyway.....WWE did a great thing last year when they listened to the crowd and gave them what they wanted.....and if they really want Reigns to be "the next guy" they're going about it all wrong I don't know what they have planned for Bryan, and I don't know if they know, but I know he's one of the few wrestlers in recent years that excited people I know who aren't fans and generally surprised me by it. Punk was another one.....just the last people you expect non-wrestling people to like but they do.....so run with it WWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strand Peanut Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 People outside of wrestling understand Bryan. Especially in urban environments. I'd say even more so in the old WWWF cities. They know this guy. They work with him, they went school with him, they see him on the street.. They just don't know. He's not some benoit/malenko style "super worker" but maybe that's how the company views him ? But no one related to those guys, or not like they do with DB. Or, even if you think the chants got over not him, or he's the focal point of fan discontent, why him? and still him? He's got heat, put him up top, keep him there, and help spread that heat around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pol Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 It's funny, in a different era of the WWE Bryan would've been a protected upper midcarder and while people might think he deserved better you wouldn't see the kind of fan insistence on him in the main event. The guy could've been the ace of the IC title, having great matches for that belt on every show. Of course they had to beat him constantly and the concept of a protected midcarder is practically dead anyway so they ended up creating this monster that is now biting them in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Just left the WWE house show in Loveland CO I took my roomies and four year old nephew to today. We had a total blast, the kiddo was just amazed by everything, and his parents, who were really only going to be nice totally got into the show. It opened with Daniel Bryan beating Bray Wyatt then New Day beat the Dust Brothers. The kid loved New Day. Then Natalya beat Alicia Fox. Bad News Barrett lost to Ziggler in a non title match. Barrett said Ziggler didn't deserve a title shot because since he was rehired he's now a new guy and they don't get title shots. Then the Matadores beat Axel and Fandango, Ambrose beat Harper, and Cena beat Rollins in a Loveland street fight. It was a fucking great time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Who got the loudest reactions Johnny? Cena and Bryan? Cena's always gotten a tremendous pop at the house shows I've been to over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I feel like Val Venis' signature match should have been a Loveland Street Fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Cena by far got the biggest reaction. And no deuling chants. Just " CENA! CENA!" Bryan was number two, Ambrose, then Ziggler. Rollins got insane boos. It was so much fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 As bad as Current WWE is....even their writers wouldnt setup what just happened at the end of the Super Bowl.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 My nephew and his mom at the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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