goodhelmet Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 I think there are enough people on both sides of this fence we can break it off into its own thread. I know jdw has been preaching about hating Brody for 20 years but most of us didn't have the same access to dial-up he did back in the back in the day. I also have some specific matches I can point to later that illustrate why I hate watching Brody wrestle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Add me to the list of those for whom Brody's popularity is a complete mystery. I'm no Sayama fan, but when I watch old Tiger Mask matches, I can totally see why he got over. But for the life of me, I can't figure out what would've been particularly appealing about Brody when Stan Hansen was right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted December 24, 2012 Report Share Posted December 24, 2012 Brody has his moments but a good 95% of his matches were the drizzling shits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Solomon Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Add me to the list of those for whom Brody's popularity is a complete mystery. I'm no Sayama fan, but when I watch old Tiger Mask matches, I can totally see why he got over. But for the life of me, I can't figure out what would've been particularly appealing about Brody when Stan Hansen was right there. Â But why does one have to discount Brody just because Hansen is so good? Hansen is also one of my faves and I loved his AWA title reign. I appreciate the differences they have in their style. Again I'm going to watch Brody over the next couple of days just to freshen up on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 http://www.otherarena.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=1434 11/26/82 - Real World Tag League: Stan Hansen & Bruiser Brody vs. Rick Steamboat & Jay Youngblood  I might have buried somewhere the thread going over Brody vs Flair.  John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Add me to the list of those for whom Brody's popularity is a complete mystery. I'm no Sayama fan, but when I watch old Tiger Mask matches, I can totally see why he got over. But for the life of me, I can't figure out what would've been particularly appealing about Brody when Stan Hansen was right there. Â But why does one have to discount Brody just because Hansen is so good? Hansen is also one of my faves and I loved his AWA title reign. I appreciate the differences they have in their style. Again I'm going to watch Brody over the next couple of days just to freshen up on him. Â Its not so much that Hansen's excellence discounts Brody but rather that when viewed side by side with Hansen, Brody's shitshow is even more rancid. He had a fantastic ring entrance and pre-match charisma. Then the bell rings and you've got a total stiff who doesn't bring you anything on either side of the ball. Imagine Ray Lewis or Drew Brees doing their thing before kickoff and then they come out and instead you've got Bart Scott manning the middle and Trent Dilfer under center. BRUISAH BRODY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I frigging love 91-92 John Nord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 To me the most confusing thing is that he's so badly smoked by a brawler by so many contemporaries, and it's not just in matches that have only surfaced recently, either. Is there anything that really lives up to his rep besides the Abby feud, which is late in his career? I like some of his other stuff, like the Jumbo, Blackwell, and Gordy matches, but only the Abdullah matches live up to the type of brawl he's become synonomous with even though it wasn't something he did regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Poor Abby.....Brody got all the glory as Abby made him what he was. Without Abby, Brody isn't Brody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Brody is someone I want to like but can't. He's just not any good. For guys known as crazy brawlers I can't think of a single guy offhand I would rate him ahead of. He works so fucking loose it's unbelievable, won't bump, won't sell and while he has some good offense it's not nearly enough to offset the myriad of shit you are bombarded with in most of his matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 From listening to way too many shoots, guys seem to like him because he stood up against promoters so much AND helped them stand up against promoters and/or taught them normative things when not a lot of other guys were willing to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 what would've been particularly appealing about BrodyIt's his look. He looks awesome and has one of the best wrestler names ever. I'd imagine for a lot of people, myself included, Brody was over with them before ever even seeing a match thanks to the magazines. When I was a teenager I loved the guy for years before ever seeing him in a match. By the time I did, all those negatives either didn't matter or went unnoticed, at least that's how it was for me. And since I finally first saw him in some World Class matches where he was a no selling monster/ enforcer brought in to kick heel ass, I wanted him to be a no selling guy. So I'd guess that for a lot of people the aura was always enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted December 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 5523868[/url]'] 5523851[/url]' date='Dec 24 2012, 04:38 PM']what would've been particularly appealing about BrodyIt's his look. He looks awesome and has one of the best wrestler names ever. I'd imagine for a lot of people, myself included, Brody was over with them before ever even seeing a match thanks to the magazines. When I was a teenager I loved the guy for years before ever seeing him in a match. By the time I did, all those negatives either didn't matter or went unnoticed, at least that's how it was for me. And since I finally first saw him in some World Class matches where he was a no selling monster/ enforcer brought in to kick heel ass, I wanted him to be a no selling guy. So I'd guess that for a lot of people the aura was always enough. Â Â This is the best argument for being a Brody fan I have read. With tht said, for a guy who loves blood, guts and brawling.... Brody had the blood down but his brawling kind of sucks. Ooh new thread idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Maybe the problem with Brody is that we needed to see him live. Like the WWE announcers always harp that you can't appreciate how huge Big Show really is unless you see him live. Maybe we can't appreciate Brody until we see him live. Â I'm rather indifferent to Brody, myself. The best thing I've seen him is the famous 12/13/82 AJPW tag match w/ Snuka versus the Funks, and when people think about that match, how much do Brody's contributions really amount to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 It seems easy to see how Brody got over, he had undeniable charisma as someone who came off as a legit crazy man who looked like he would beat anyone's ass in the whole arena. Like Johnny, I first read about him in magazines and then saw him in World Class. After a while, I started to notice this guy who kept being brought in to be an asskicking monster just seemed to have count-out brawls 90% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I know this has been pointed out to me before, but it always surprises me to see so much time devoted to Brody criticism, when I personally can't recall a single person ever praising him. I get that he was praised by hardcores in the 1980s, but does he still have avid defenders? He doesn't strike me as a particularly contentious wrestler. The feeling that he sucked is fairly unanimous these days, is it not? Maybe Classics types defend him, but they formed all of their wrestling opinions decades ago and havent changed them. I would be interested in a huge Brody fan explaining his appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Dave still defends him as a worker or so I'm told. The majority of the Classics guys do when he is brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I always got the impression Dave just doesn't want to speak ill of the guy because of the circumstances of his death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 As for people who still defend him: there's plenty, they just don't tend to hang around here or DVDVR or any of the other usual uber-hardcore gathering places. If you go out and talk to lifelong non-internet fans, you'll still find a shitload who think the dude was awesome. Â It seems easy to see how Brody got over, he had undeniable charisma as someone who came off as a legit crazy man who looked like he would beat anyone's ass in the whole arena.I agree with that. I'm usually not a mark for The Look, but Brody's look was so awesome that I think it could make you feel like you were watching a better wrestler than the one you actually saw. And back in the kayfabe days, "no-selling and no-bumping" wasn't something that most fans typically gave a shit about. It just made him look like that much more of a beast when he would maul guys at will. Â Plus, for a crazed brawler type, he did cut some surprisingly decent promos. He tended to have a self-aware sort of intelligence to his mic work which was unusual; I still vividly remember one where he essentially mocked himself for looking like a quintessential wrestler, with the goofy hair and scarred face and everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 I'd just go ahead and say that he was an an awesome babyface/ enforcer guy who gets brought in ala Roughhouse Fargo...and a shitty heel. Both because of his no selling and overall schtick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 No, seriously, Nord had a hugely varied offense for a 91 WWF heel, would bump so huge, especially for a guy his size, but not in a way that took you out of the match since he was usually in there against big guys like Davey Boy, had this crazy manic energy to him that Brody wishes he had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Brody was at his best as a babyface I agree with JS but he still wasn't very good. Â The thing with Dave is I wonder how much of his love for him is the fact that he was one of his early wrestling sources. You gotta remember being tight with Matysik got him inside with Brody and it's not strange for a journalist to put his personal favorites over even when they don't really deserve it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 Would it be too inflammatory to say that Dave has a history of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted December 25, 2012 Report Share Posted December 25, 2012 There is a definite history there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minds_Eys Posted December 26, 2012 Report Share Posted December 26, 2012 For curiosity's sake, where do you guys rank Abdullah The Butcher in comparison to Brody? I know he has crazy longevity and experience in different territories, but how much better of a worker is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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