Loss Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Talk about it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted January 3, 2013 Report Share Posted January 3, 2013 A special match where falls don't count in the first 5 minutes. Of course, Pillman tries to pin Rogers a minute in.. Real good match with Rip Rogers getting a lot of offense in. Pillman hits a nice clothesline from the crowd to ringside. Were these two feuding in 90 or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Quasi-tv feud. Rogers argued for this match on the basis that he was a slow starter and the five minute warm up gave him a chance to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 The story here was that Rip wanted a match where falls wouldn't count for the first five minutes. He argues that this is the reason for his losing streak -- it simply takes him a long time to warm up. Interesting that they announce a Flair/Pillman match at the Clash. I never knew that was the original plan. I thought this was an excellent match. It's really the best of all the Rip Rogers matches including the end of '90. I think they were trying to give Rogers a visual fall at the 5-minute mark that wouldn't count because of his own big mouth, but the referee blew the spot. Pillman jumps off the top of the entrance in a great spot! Pillman feuds with the Horsemen and flirts with a main event spot over the next few months, so I'm not sure how wise it was to have him so competitive with Rip Rogers here, but at the same time, the match is really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Pillman feuds with the Horsemen and flirts with a main event spot over the next few months, so I'm not sure how wise it was to have him so competitive with Rip Rogers here, but at the same time, the match is really good. Pillman was the Rey of the period but WCW was far too stupid to capitalize on this. Like Rey Pillman could be plugged in credibly against anyone on the card and he was completely credible. He stayed over whether he was working Rip Rogers or Ric Flair and the crowd came with him. If WCW wasn't fucking idiotic they would have put him into that sliding scale slot for good and really developed it. Fucking idiots. Also if you liked this wait til you get to the Windham feud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 One thing I should also mention is that at the end of this match, there is a commercial that fans can vote on WCW's sexiest wrestler, who will be announced at the Clash. All of the wrestlers they show clips of are white and blonde. Was that Jim Barnett's type? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 A really cool match. The dive from the entrance way was awesome. The bump on the guard rail Pillman took was scary when it collapsed. I really think Rogers was a really strong worker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 I haven't really gotten into these Pillman/Rogers matches. I respect the effort, but there's something about Rogers that doesn't quite connect with me. I get that he's playing a moron. Yet I still cringe every time he does the fucking airplane spin. They handled the stip oddly, with Pillman going for a bunch of pins in the opening five minutes. I get doing it once to make it seem like he was thrown off, but again and again? And why did the ref just count them instead of making a show of not counting them? The whole thing just felt off despite some cool stuff from Pillman that got the crowd going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I agree that the stipulation was not executed as well as it could have been. Rogers pinning him right before five minutes would have been a nice moment, then have the ref re-count after 5 minutes and PIllman kick out. This featured some big bumps and dives but I think I liked the first Pillman/Rogers match overall better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 Great stuff on the floor--I'm a sucker for actual wrestling moved and spots being done outside the ring. We have that and a strong finishing sequence, with Pillman cleverly getting Rogers to duck a move from the top, opening him up for a sunset flip. That said, this official (whom I've never seen) completely fucks over the 5-minute stip by counting every pinfall and ruining whatever they were trying to build to. Ross plugs the WCW SEXY WRESTLER CONTEST after this. Z-Man won (spoiler). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted February 14, 2013 Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 I am surprised that the Z-Man won. Wonder if it was worked? They barely showed a clip of him in the promo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Ridge Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Of course Pillman goes for a pinfall attempt in the first 30 seconds. Now I’m confused as they both start doing pinfall attempts on each other and the referee is counting them. Oh! Rogers with the double ax handle off the top rope to the outside and Pillman completely takes out the barricade. The referee seems to not know the rules. Pillman with flying clothesline on top of the entrance way! Pinfall nonsense aside this was pretty good match with some big moves. Here’s your chance to participate in WCW sexiest wrestler poll. Michaels Hayes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 I like the work here but hate the psychology. Bottom of my list so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruiserBrody Posted May 7, 2013 Report Share Posted May 7, 2013 Pillman did the entrance way plunge vs Cactus Jack as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garretta Posted April 10, 2015 Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 I agree that having Pillman so competitive with Rogers was a mistake if they were trying to build him toward a showdown with Flair. Od course, once Dusty took over, the plan was changed, and I'm not so sure that that wasn't for the best, considering that Brian had all he could do here to escape with his life against a lower midcarder at best. Yes, the work was good, but it shouldn't have had to be. This should have been bing, bang, boom, and out in under a minute. Forget the crazy "falls don't count for five minutes" stuff and allow Rip to be squashed for once. I don't think the ref blew any spots here. I got the impression that this was supposed to a Texas death type of match in that you could pin your opponent all you wanted to and the ref would count it for you, but it wouldn't end the match until after five minutes had passed. JR did a horrible job of explaining it if that was the case, but I find it hard to believe that they would allow such obvious incompetence to stand on national television if the referee had messed up. This was well past the time when redoing matches was accepted practice when necessary. I'm guessing that Dusty simply wanted to make his own Clash main event, which is why Scotty was subbed in against Flair and the mini-angle was shot at the Meadowlands. But why Scotty instead of, say, Sting (who was theoretically owed a rematch as the former champion)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew wardlaw Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 The stipulation is kind of wonky and probably could have been put over better if it was just worked into the match naturally, like Rogers knows he's a slow starter so he has to really stooge and prevent being pinned that way. Despite that though, I really liked this one, and it might be my favorite of their feud? I don't think I've seen the guardrail fall over like that before, that looked pretty rough. More hard hitting fast action, I can't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawho5 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Good match despite the ridiculous 180 they did on the stip. They only tried to pin each other for the first 5 minutes, when id didn't count. Then when it counts there were exactly 0 near-falls leading to the Pillman win. Beautiful. The Pillman dive from the stands was sweet, as was his signature bump (although that was a little scary). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactus Posted April 12, 2020 Report Share Posted April 12, 2020 Rip has a stipulation added that no pinfalls count within the first five minutes, but Brian goes for pins and the referee counts them anyways. They also brawl outside the ring for what felt like minutes and the referee refused to start counting them out. Dodgy officiating aside, Brian's quick pace keep me entertained and I quite like Pillman faking out Rip before hitting a sunset flip to get the win. Dumb stipulation, solid wrestling. ★★¼ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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