Territories Bracket

[Dylan Waco]

Dylan, there does seem to be late 70s Florida stuff out there. There are several rather massive packs (no seeders) on XTC with I'd say over 100 matches from that period. No one has ever uploaded it to youtube, but there is some stuff there.

This is an 80's tourney no? If not Wiskowski needs to be added to Portland and Billy Jack dropped. There is a fair amount of 80's Florida out there from what I hear but it's not well circulated. There is stuff like Windham v. Jaggers which I have and really like but I'm not sure it's ever been online and doubt very many people have ever seen it.

[khawk20]

There is a fair amount of 80's Florida out there from what I hear but it's not well circulated.

There is lots, including almost all of 1984 and good chunks of pretty much every other year in the 80's.

[Matt D]

BTW

 

Re: Southwest for anyone who hasn't seen much.

 

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_UlnC4Kjp_6ImKi7dkL9eg

 

Catch it while you can.

[ohtani's jacket]

If the era is 1980 to 1984 and the criteria is the top 4 guys not necessarily the top 4 workers then New Japan should be Inoki, Fujinami, Choshu and Tiger Mask.

 

For Europe I would consider Big Daddy, either Bridges or St. Clair, maybe Pat Roach, Marty Jones, Rocco and Saint, but that's ignoring a couple of weight classes and the whole of Germany.

 

Lucha is super tough. I guess I'd consider Perro Aguayo, Villano III, Canek, Dos Caras, Fishman, Lizmark, Sangre Chicana, the Misionares, Satanico.

[jpchicago23]

Thanks for the link. I think the freelance category is essential as there will be key guys left off if we dont have it. I'm still debating about how the torunament should work and this is very much open for discussion. Should it be a total of 64 guys, 4 from each territory and that have it be an every man for himself tournament with 4 smaller brackets, Funk, Lawler, Flair, and Hogan topping each bracket. Or should it be a territory vs. territory bracket? I'm leaning towards every man for himself but that is entirely open

[jpchicago23]

If the era is 1980 to 1984 and the criteria is the top 4 guys not necessarily the top 4 workers then New Japan should be Inoki, Fujinami, Choshu and Tiger Mask.

 

For Europe I would consider Big Daddy, either Bridges or St. Clair, maybe Pat Roach, Marty Jones, Rocco and Saint, but that's ignoring a couple of weight classes and the whole of Germany.

 

Lucha is super tough. I guess I'd consider Perro Aguayo, Villano III, Canek, Dos Caras, Fishman, Lizmark, Sangre Chicana, the Misionares, Satanico.

We can go 80-84 or 85 either is cool but 84 is the start of the expansion so that would probably work better.

[ohtani's jacket]

Ok, and did you mean top four guys or top four workers?

[jpchicago23]

I would say top 4 overall guys. It might be a little easier that way and give people a better idea of who were the major faces of the territories. Workers could get very complicated as there could be cases made for a lot of people but thats just my opinion and if more people disagree we can change it

[ohtani's jacket]

OK, maybe a bit of discretion though otherwise Europe would be something dumb like Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks, Oto Wanz and Kendo Nagasaki.

 

EDIT: Not Nagasaki as he was retired and came back when All Star got TV, but I'm sure you catch my drift.

[jpchicago23]

Yea it definitely isnt a set in stone criteria and doesnt have to be the top 4 draws or anything just the top 4 overall guys, with consideration to ability i guess we could label it.

[JerryvonKramer]

Stopping in 84 would hurt the midsouth guys I think.

[jpchicago23]

We can go 85 then, that'll work.

[jpchicago23]

So how would this poll work out then? Should the poll be changed to about 7 or 8 of the disputed territories and have the other 8 automatically qualify? It looks like you can only vote once and i dont know that we could get 16 votes. I guess a moderator would have to help fix that?

[JerryvonKramer]

I think there are a few territories that are not disputed, so let's say they are 100% in:

 

1. WWF

2. Crockett

3. AWA

4. New Japan

5. All Japan

6. Mid-South

7. Memphis

8. Portland

9. Georgia

10. World Class

11. "Freelance"

12. Montreal

13. Europe

14. Mexico (assuming this is not disputed)

 

That leaves 2 from 6:

 

- Continental

- Central States

- South West

- Stampede

- Puerto Rico

- Florida

 

Why not split these up into two "first past the post" polls of 3.

 

1 of Continental, Central States and South West slugging it out to represent another Southern USA territority

1 of Stampede, Puerto Rico and Florida to take the final spot

 

Agreed?

[jpchicago23]

So make a poll of each of of those remaining six territories and take the top guy from each? Correct me if i'm wrong but thats how i took it. Someone would have to delete tha first poll i made then unless we open another thread on it

[JerryvonKramer]

No I meant make two different polls each with those three options in, and the two winning promotions get their 4 top four guys in the tourney.

 

The OTHER way to do it would be to take ANY 8 guys from those 6 promotions as wild cards. So Colon might be the only person from Puerto Rico represented. In a way, I kinda prefer that idea because it'll make for a stronger field.

 

I really would prefer to see Tully in for Crockett than for South West though, especially if 85 is included.

[jpchicago23]

Yea i think the wild card field from those promotions is the best way.

[Ricky Jackson]

One way you could set up the brackets is to begin with essentially 16 mini-tournaments--a 4 man WWF tournament, 4 man AWA tournament, 4 man Crockett tournament, etc., until you have a "Final 16", with each territory having one representative in the main tounament. This would guarantee no one or two territories dominate the whole tournament. If you want to get really ambitious, the individual territory tournaments could be made up of 16 guys as well ("The First 16") and we could have a 256 man mega-territory tournament! Of course, it would probably be tough to come up with 16 names for places like Central States, Stampede, etc.

 

And I'll just say this: some of the absolute worst wrestling I've ever seen was a disc of 86-87 era Central States. I'm sure the area had better days, but that stuff was really shitty.

[jpchicago23]

Ok I definitely like the idea of sub tournaments to create a 16 man territory best of the best. Maybe we could do a top 8 for each territory and go from there. Should I open a new thread for each territory? This way every territory is fairly represented. I think we'll do the two separate misc territories too unless we can come to a conclusion on 16

[jpchicago23]

As soon as we agree whether to set 16 territories firm or 14 with two misc then ill open the first thread for Wwf and we can throw eight names out there and vote and go from there.

[JerryvonKramer]

My feeling is that Loss kinda needs to make you a sub-forum at this point.

[jpchicago23]

Ok that works. Unless thats too much

[Ricky Jackson]

Yeah, a sub form is probably needed to do this thing right, or maybe it could be part of the microscope, because we'll essentially be analyzing different wrestlers and discussing their respective pros and cons. No need to rush things.

[Loss]

Let me read through this thread again when I have more time later today so I understand what exactly is being proposed. I haven't been paying attention. From there, I'll determine the best way to set it up.

[goodhelmet]

Yeah, this is a mess. Just pick a couple of guys to battle it out like the Flair vs. Bret thread.