Grimmas Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 So, this was a pretty nice thread for the US workers and I thought it would be interesting for the Canadians as well. I think Bret Hart, Ivan Koloff, Rick Martel and Chris Benoit are pretty easy on the list. However, who are the other six? Owen Hart, Chris Jericho, Steve Corino, Roddy Piper, Abdullah the Butcher, Christian, Killer Kowalski, Pat Patterson, Gene Kiniski, Mad Dog Vachon? Some of these guys have a real lack of footage. This seems harder to make a definitive list than the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Ronnie Garvin has to be a lock for top 10, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I'll toss out some names: Dan Kroffat, Buddy Robberts, John Tenta, Moose Morowski, Billy Two Rivers, Don Jardine, Leo Burke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Any reliable footage of Yvon Robert and Whipper Billy Watson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Dan Kroffat Now that's surprising. I though you hated Kroffat. But yeah, Kroffat would be in my top 10 for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I don't like Kroffat, I was just throwing the name out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Don Leo Jonathan is now a Canadian citizen and has lived there most of his life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'll toss out some names: Dan Kroffat, Buddy Robberts, John Tenta, Moose Morowski, Billy Two Rivers, Don Jardine, Leo Burke. Wha? Like, Freebird Buddy Roberts?!?! I feel like I'm finding out there's no Santa Claus all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 How about Little Beaver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I don't like Kroffat, I was just throwing the name out there. That's what I thought. I would guess Raymond Rougeau should get in the discussion somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'll toss out some names: Dan Kroffat, Buddy Robberts, John Tenta, Moose Morowski, Billy Two Rivers, Don Jardine, Leo Burke. Wha? Like, Freebird Buddy Roberts?!?! I feel like I'm finding out there's no Santa Claus all over again. Yeah, he was born and raised in Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I don't like Kroffat, I was just throwing the name out there. That's what I thought. I would guess Raymond Rougeau should get in the discussion somewhere. Ray was really good in Montreal, to the point where if he worked like that everywhere and we had more footage we'd be talking about him as an equal of Martel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Dan Kroffat Now that's surprising. I though you hated Kroffat. But yeah, Kroffat would be in my top 10 for sure. I'm guessing you guys mean Phil LaFon and not the 1970s Stampede babyface with the same name. Too bad there is next to no footage of John Tolos in his prime to judge how good he was as a heel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm a huge Vachon mark so I'm biased, but his body of work over 36 years to me speaks for itself and puts him into the top ten pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I have not been bowled over by Vachon so far on the AWA set, although I understand that's him old and towards the end. I am going to move towards a top 10 from my point of view (work): 1. Bret Hart 2. Chris Benoit 3. Rick Martel 4. Ronnie Garvin 5. Owen Hart 6. Ivan Koloff 7. Chris Jericho 8. Roddy Piper 9. John Tenta 10. Dan Kroffat (Total package) 1. Roddy Piper 2. Bret Hart 3. Chris Jericho 4. Ronnie Garvin 5. Rick Martel 6. John Tenta 7. Ivan Koloff 8. Owen Hart 9. Christian 10. Abdullah the Butcher Need to see more Pat Patterson, Vachon and pre-WWF Dino Bravo. Gene Kiniski is the worst guest ref of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I have not been bowled over by Vachon so far on the AWA set, although I understand that's him old and towards the end. Need to see more Pat Patterson, Vachon and pre-WWF Dino Bravo. Gene Kiniski is the worst guest ref of all time. Watch the Rick Martel-Boris Zurkov cage match from Winnipeg and check out John Ferguson (former NHL hockey goon) as the guest referee, then get back to me about Kiniski. There is probably enough Bravo footage to check out that will help your assessment from the "work" standpoint, but probably not enough of Vachons. Depends on how much you think you need to see of his 50's-70's work. There is some, but not a ton. Mad Dog is such an Icon in Canada that to me the list just seems wrong without him on it. If you didn't grow up around the Canadian wrestling culture, you might not feel the same way, which is understandable. I'm not sure how much Patterson is out there pre-WWF 79, off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewar Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Edge is Canadian, some folks would consider putting him in their 10. Could add Lance Storm, The Missing Link, Bobby Rude and Vampiro to this as well, athough I don't think anyone would put them in their top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Gennarelli Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 If we're basing this on being a total package (ring work, charisma, box office appeal, interviews, etc) Roddy Piper would be at the top of my list. Gene Kiniski and Don Leo Jonathan were both All Time greats and Kiniski was one of the better NWA champs of the modern era. Pat Patterson would make the top 10 list of workers in the 70's due to his success in the AWA, SF for Shires and WWWF at the end of the decade. Least we forget the warm comments of Bret Hart toward Archie Gouldie "The Mongolian Stomper" who Bret christened the greatest Canadien star much to the dismay of Pat Patterson on a recent "Legends Roundtable" show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 After rewatching some of those Mad Dog matches last night, I'm going to flip and put him in there in the total package list at 3. and bump everyone else down. That's right, I'm saying I'd take the hour or so of Mad Dog I've seen over Chris Jericho's entire career, and I like Jericho. I may reverse that at a later date when I re-watch his WCW stuff, but it's a reflection of what I think right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Whipper Watson is a guy that really suffers from lack of footage. Dude's a king around these parts, was popular enough to run for provincial office under a major ticket and has a school named after him. All the really old-timers swear he was king shit. Carpentier suffers from the same problem I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Whipper Watson is a guy that really suffers from lack of footage. Dude's a king around these parts, was popular enough to run for provincial office under a major ticket and has a school named after him. All the really old-timers swear he was king shit. Carpentier suffers from the same problem I would think. I think Carpentier was born in France, which, if true, DQ's him by definition. On Watson, you are bang-on. Older folks that watched wrestling in his time frame will tell you he was the best "when it wasn't all bullshit", as they are fond to say. It's probably the ultimate compliment that can be paid by that set, if you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dooley Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I think Carpentier was born in France, which, if true, DQ's him by definition. Well if we're counting DLJ, who was born stateside but is a Canadian citizen, the same would apply to Carpentier no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodTrongard'sHair Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I would throw Yvon Robert, Jos LeDuc, and Dino Bravo in the mix as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Robert, along with Johnny Rougeau, are two other iconic Canadian stars but unfortunately there is little to any footage availabe of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puropotsy Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 1. Bret Hart 2. Killer Kowalski 3. Gene Kiniski 4. Ivan Koloff 5.Rick Martel 6.Chris Jericho 7. Leo Burke 8. Abdullah The Butcher 9. Roddie Piper 10. Owen Hart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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