JazeUSA Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 are you interested in PWG, IWC, DragonGatUSA, & or Chikara? If so I could get you some matches to check out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 With DGUSA and Chikara I am willing to watch recommended matches, but I'm not a fan of either fed. PWG I will usually can get a hold of. IWC is the PA fed that runs it's own best of indies tourney right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blehschmidt Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 Yeah. IWC is the PA fed that runs the "Super Indy" tournament every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Would be interested in hearing what you think of Alexander vs. Elgin. I can see it being a match you hate but it is starting to get that Richards vs. Elgin buzz from last year. I think this match was better especially when they worked over Alexander's ear but they really kicked out of a ton of stuff going towards the 30 minute draw. Â Watched this just now and hated it. The first ten minutes were actually way better than I would have expected and pretty smartly worked, but that's a staple of Elgin matches over the last year. The last twenty were just painfully awful and everything I hate about modern wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted July 5, 2013 Report Share Posted July 5, 2013 That is about what I figured and my enjoyment of the match would look like a straight sloping supply curve as the longer it went, the more annoyed I got. Around the 22 minute mark, Elgin did a few things like punching Alexander on the ear and I was hoping it would go that way into a gritty finish our courageous comeback but it was not to be. I do think both Elgin and Alexander are good workers (especially Alexander as he is usually a big monster and this was one of the more "indyrific" matches he has been in). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Tentative Mid Year Top 100. Comments on omissions, placement, et. are welcomed. Also note this is based on the first six months of the calendar year, i.e. no dated "Observer" rules or anything in the last week comes into consideration.  1. Antonio Cesaro 2. Negro Casas 3. Daniel Bryan 4. Virus 5. Rush 6. Vordell Walker 7. LA Park 8. William Regal 9. The Big Show 10. Kyle Matthews 11. Trauma II 12. Alberto Del Rio 13. Jun Akiyama 14. Dean Ambrose 15. Villano IV 16. Demus 3:16 17. Blue Panther 18. Rampage Brown 19. Robbie Dynamite 20. Kazushi Sakuraba 21. Sheamus 22. Dean Allmark 23. KT Hammil 24. Trauma I 25. Shaun Tempers 26. Timothy Thatcher 27. Necro Butcher 28. Damien Wayne 29. Kahagas 30. Sami Callihan 31. Seth Rollins 32. James Mason 33. Negro Navarro 34. John Cena 35. Tajiri 36. Jack Gallagher 37. Freelance 38. Black Terry 39. Alan Extreme 40. Casandro 41. Yuki Ishikawa 42. Roman Reigns 43. Terrible 44. Chris Masters 45. Valiente 46. Shockercito 47. Ryota Hama 48. Chico Che 49. Jeff Cobb 50. Andrew Everett Cross (Chiva Kid) 51. Minoru Suzuki 52. Dr. Wagner Jr. 53. Ray Mendoza Jr. 54. Jay Briscoe 55. Cyrus The Destroyer 56. Mark Briscoe 57. Tracy Smothers 58. Eddie Kingston 59. Amazing Red 60. Harry Smith 61. Namajague 62. Too Cold Scorpio 63. Pierrothito 64. Astral 65. Shinsuke Nakamura 66. Fuego 67. Califan 68. Cancerbero 69. Sami Zayn (El Generico) 70. CM Punk 71. Mark Henry 72. Drew Haskins 73. Jeremiah Plunkett 74. Angel Blanco Jr. 75. Kassius Ohno 76. Dolph Ziggler 77. Tomohiro Ishii 78. Tank Norton 79. Rich Swann 80. Rey Hechicero 81. Manabu Suruga 82. Jack Swagger 83. D.O.C. 84. ACH 85. Dinamic Black 86. Austin Aries 87. Jeremy Wyatt 88. Derrick King 89. Michael Tarver 90. Akebono 91. Gunner 92. KAI 93. Keith Hammil 94. Andrew Alexander 95. Randy Orton 96. Wade Barrett 97. Kazunari Murakami 98. Savio Vega 99. Bully Ray 100. New Jack  Last Five off: Jon Malus, JC Ice, Big E. Langston, Rob Conway, Raziel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I'm surprised you have Virus over Rush. I can't think of anything Virus has done this year that is better than Rush's 6/28 match. I also thought Villano IV would be higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 I'm surprised you have Virus over Rush. I can't think of anything Virus has done this year that is better than Rush's 6/28 match. I also thought Villano IV would be higher. I actually struggled a ton with 3-5. I could see a case for all of them over the other. I have LOVED Rush this year and he has real momentum to the point where he feels like he could end up being my number one guy when all is said and done. I agree that Virus hasn't had a match as good as Rush's 6/28 match, but I think Virus may have slightly more volume of stuff I've really liked. It's really close  On Villano IV I have loved him, but he doesn't have the grand slam match he had last year. I could see him as high as 12, any higher I couldn't justify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Hope you saw the Cesaro/Bo Dallas match, Dylan. Absolutely fantastic carry job from Cesaro. One of the matches that justifies a #1 ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 The primary reason I rate Cesaro one is that he was able to do so much and have so many strong performances even though booking was his enemy and his opponents were pretty much a who's who of boring, mediocre and uninteresting. I doubt he can hold for the course of the year because I think he's going to end up tagging with Swagger and I can't see that giving him the opportunities to shine, but who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Good stuff, Dylan. Are you prepared to rank the top matches you've seen this year as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Good stuff as always Dylan, only person I would have significantly higher (and I should preface by saying I havent seen nearly as much Southern indies and luchas as you) is Sheamus. He would be for sure in my top 10 and knocking at my top 5. I think he has been a poor man version of Cesaro but has had some great matches and I loved him in that Shield vs. Superfriends match at Elimination Chamber and his work vs. Cesaro in their main event match. Â This year has been very disappointing to me overall match quality wise. This time last year, we already had my top 3 for the year and we also had other stuff that while I didn't love as much as everyone else (Taker/HHH), it still had a ton of hype and support. I have seen a ton of 2.5 - 3 star matches this year (mostly from WWE TV) but only a couple that I would rank at 4.25-4.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollinger. Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Love that Jeremy Wyatt made your list. One of my favorite dudes in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Redman Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Good stuff as always Dylan, only person I would have significantly higher (and I should preface by saying I havent seen nearly as much Southern indies and luchas as you) is Sheamus. He would be for sure in my top 10 and knocking at my top 5. I think he has been a poor man version of Cesaro but has had some great matches and I loved him in that Shield vs. Superfriends match at Elimination Chamber and his work vs. Cesaro in their main event match. Â This year has been very disappointing to me overall match quality wise. This time last year, we already had my top 3 for the year and we also had other stuff that while I didn't love as much as everyone else (Taker/HHH), it still had a ton of hype and support. I have seen a ton of 2.5 - 3 star matches this year (mostly from WWE TV) but only a couple that I would rank at 4.25-4.5 On the second part, I kind of agree on the prevalence of "good" rather than "great" matches, to put it that way, but at the same time I wouldn't call it disappointing myself. I feel like the volume of really good TV matches in WWE this year has been wonderful and is a fair trade-off to maybe not having so many clear MOTYCs. My only problem is that I find it hard to rank the 20-30 or so matches that are all roughly of the same quality in any order. And I like order. Â Like, the Shield had pretty much the same great TV match for eight straight weeks of TV. How on earth do you rank one over the next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puropotsy Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 This is awesome Dylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Loss - My tentative goal is to do a top 100 matches at years end to go along with a top 500 wrestlers. To me matches are considerably harder than wrestlers, but I've had more than a half dozen requests to do matches so I'll probably do it. Â Soup - On Sheamus, I think his best stuff this year has been really great, but in a weird sense I think he's been disappointing this year relative to last year. Part of that may be due to the fact that the Henry feud wasn't anywhere near as good as it looked on paper to me, another part may be that WWE ppv's have been really underwhelming this year, and an even bigger part of that may be the fact that I thought Sheamus was the best week-to-week performer in wrestling last year and this year he has been more overtly comedic even in the ring than I would like for a guy who had that run last year. Still I feel he's been very strong over all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunning_grover Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Are you going to include any women's wrestling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Are you going to include any women's wrestling? I am more than open to suggestions. I've watched a couple of Joshi matches this year, but nothing I saw was particularly good. I know Athena has a buzz around her here in the states. What/who should I be looking for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 26. Timothy Thatcher What Thatcher stuff have you been digging? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 26. Timothy Thatcher What Thatcher stuff have you been digging? Â LOVED the Jeff Cobb match from Supreme Pro earlier in the year. I also really liked his matches v. TJP and Willie Mack. There is an APW tag where he looked good and I liked his Gym Wars match v. Oliver St. John too even if it was really simple. There are a couple of other Supreme Pro matches where I thought he looked good but his opponent was questionable or the match ran off the rails from overbooking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunning_grover Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Are you going to include any women's wrestling? I am more than open to suggestions. I've watched a couple of Joshi matches this year, but nothing I saw was particularly good. I know Athena has a buzz around her here in the states. What/who should I be looking for? Â I haven't watched many 2013 matches to be honest (I've mostly been watching 70s, 80s and 90s wrestling lately), but there's an Athena vs. Ayako Hamada match from April 6 (SHIMMER Vol. 53 iPPV at Wrestlecon) that was good. Â Athena is definitely a worker to look out for. Arguably the best American female worker right now. Also, I think Ivelisse Velez has been quite impressive from what I've seen (she's a regular for the SHINE promotion based out of Florida). Â Even though I'm a joshi puroresu fan, I have to admit that 2013 hasn't produced too many good joshi puroresu matches (plenty of decent stuff, but nothing really good). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 and I liked his Gym Wars match v. Oliver St. John too Heh, no clue whear you got St from but it's just Oliver John. If you never saw it you should check out their 2012 match from SWF, similar style but I liked it slightly more. Â Thatcher's been my pick for the best guy in Nor Cal for a while so always good to see him getting props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 and I liked his Gym Wars match v. Oliver St. John too Heh, no clue whear you got St from but it's just Oliver John. Â Â Not sure why but I always put an St. in his name even though I've been corrected at least once before. Now I feel obligated to keep it as a trademark, in the vein of "thear" and "whear." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'm psyched that Big Show is so high as he's a guy that I've really enjoyed watching, pretty much since his return in 08. When he's back from injury, I'd like to see him working with Daniel Bryan for a couple of PPVs to working long TV matches with Christian and just generally keep his high standard up. Show from 08 to whenever he retires is prime comp-material as he's been in a ton of fun matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alucard Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Are you going to include any women's wrestling? I am more than open to suggestions. I've watched a couple of Joshi matches this year, but nothing I saw was particularly good. I know Athena has a buzz around her here in the states. What/who should I be looking for? Â I haven't watched many 2013 matches to be honest (I've mostly been watching 70s, 80s and 90s wrestling lately), but there's an Athena vs. Ayako Hamada match from April 6 (SHIMMER Vol. 53 iPPV at Wrestlecon) that was good. Â Athena is definitely a worker to look out for. Arguably the best American female worker right now. Also, I think Ivelisse Velez has been quite impressive from what I've seen (she's a regular for the SHINE promotion based out of Florida). Â Even though I'm a joshi puroresu fan, I have to admit that 2013 hasn't produced too many good joshi puroresu matches (plenty of decent stuff, but nothing really good). Â Â As far as 2013, these are the matches I enjoyed the most from SHINE: Â Ivelisse Velez vs Su Yung (Shine 6, 1/11/13) Brittney Savage vs Heidi Lovelace (Shine 7, 2/22/13) Santana Garrett vs Jessie Belle (Shine 7, 2/22/13) Ivelisse Velez vs LuFisto (Shine 7, 2/22/13) Allysin Kay/April Hunter/Taylor Made vs Mia Yim/Su Yung/Tracy Taylor (Shine 7, 2/22/13) Mercedes Martinez vs Nikki Roxx (Shine 7, 2/22/13) Nikki St. John vs Luscious Latasha (Shine 8, 3/23/13) Brittney Savage vs Su Yung (Shine 8, 3/23/13) Angelina Love vs Rain (Shine 9, 4/19/13) Ivelisse Velez vs Jazz (Shine 9, 4/19/13) Kimberly vs Santana Garrett (Shine 10, 5/21/13) Heidi Lovelace/Luscious Latasha/Solo Darling vs. Jessie Belle/Sassy Stephie/Sojo Bolt (Shine 10, 5/21/13) Â I'd definitely recommend any Ivelisse Velez, she is fantastic. In general, I'd still rate Gail Kim vs Taryn Terrell from TNA Slammiversary as my favorite women's match this year. Edit: the latest Shine show (7/13/13) featured 3 more Ivelisse matches where she continues to deliver the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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