Robert S Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 I would assume that a seven year deal would have some kind of cancellation clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJPWThoughts Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Robert S said: I would assume that a seven year deal would have some kind of cancellation clause. That doesn’t tend to be how contracts work. 7 year contracts also don’t tend to be the way NJ does business. Most likely case is that Meltzer’s 3rd hand story of how long White’s contract is incorrect. Still just an angle though, and a pretty obvious one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert S Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 42 minutes ago, NJPWThoughts said: That doesn’t tend to be how contracts work. In sports they actually often do. Just some very common examples from football (the real one): - a contract last x years, but the club and/or the played has the option to extend the contract by a year or two at the end of the initial period - a contract is cancelled if a player does not play x number of games within a season (often used by clubs to be able to get rid of players suspected to be injury prone or when hiring players where they are not 100% sure about their quality) - a player can leave at any time (well, usually there are two windows per year) if he gets an offer from a club playing in a higher or better league or similar (or maybe getting an offer from a club that offers him a salary of at least x) - a player can leave if he finds a club willing to pay a fixed sum The third example could actually be how it might be for Jay: he might be able to get out of this contract if he gets an offer from WWE (maybe with some side conditions like he can only do that after 3 years of his contract are over). I mean I agree with you, most likely the story itself is not true or White was stretching the truth, just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 1/10/2021 at 1:18 PM, NintendoLogic said: Don't even entertain for a second the idea that New Japan could match WWE in a bidding war. They take in $50 million in a good year, and that's only a fraction of what WWE grosses in a quarter. All they can really promise is more creative fulfillment and lack of culture shock/language barrier for the natives. New Japan is owned by Bushiroad, which is worth somewhere between $9-10 billon dollars. They *could* match WWE in a bidding war if they wanted to but would most likely never do so because that's not really how Japanese business works, Not to mention breaking the bank for one person would set the expectations higher for the entire roster, which can quickly lead to a "Nash and Hall signing with WCW" situation where suddenly you have an arms race where everyone wants to be the highest paid person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJPWThoughts Posted January 16, 2021 Report Share Posted January 16, 2021 21 hours ago, Robert S said: In sports they actually often do. Just some very common examples from football (the real one): - a contract last x years, but the club and/or the played has the option to extend the contract by a year or two at the end of the initial period - a contract is cancelled if a player does not play x number of games within a season (often used by clubs to be able to get rid of players suspected to be injury prone or when hiring players where they are not 100% sure about their quality) - a player can leave at any time (well, usually there are two windows per year) if he gets an offer from a club playing in a higher or better league or similar (or maybe getting an offer from a club that offers him a salary of at least x) - a player can leave if he finds a club willing to pay a fixed sum The third example could actually be how it might be for Jay: he might be able to get out of this contract if he gets an offer from WWE (maybe with some side conditions like he can only do that after 3 years of his contract are over). I mean I agree with you, most likely the story itself is not true or White was stretching the truth, just saying. You shouldn’t compare contracts unionized pro sports to pro wrestling, or any other industry for that matter. I can guarantee you that NJ does not have a “you can go to WWE if they make an offer you like” clause in their contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted January 17, 2021 Report Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 12:41 PM, NintendoLogic said: Also it looks like we can all breathe easy. ...with the Switchblade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Dunk Posted January 20, 2021 Report Share Posted January 20, 2021 Curious to see on what platform New Japan will be on in the States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav'oh Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Not sure if the Great O-Khan should have curly-toed boots or furry boots, is what I took out of the Mongolian Chop match with Tenzan. Not expecting much from this card but it's on at a friendly time. Big Bash Cricket on the idiot box and NJPW on the desktop. Can't go wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dav'oh Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Kojima and Ospreay working a TLC match is weird. Does Ospreay's spine need to be doing this against Kojima of all people? Run Baba Run @ 9/1in the seventh at Cranbourne on the laptop....led early, faded badly. I'll try get me dollar back with Luchador @ 4/1 in the ninth at the Gardens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas Posted January 30, 2021 Report Share Posted January 30, 2021 Tanahashi Vs Shingo delivered on the hype. What an incredible match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Shingo-Tanahashi was indeed great. Tana's longevity is insane and Shingo could be the best wrestler in the world today. O-Khan-Tenzan was a lot better than I expected. Nice to see the Dads pull out a solid performance every once in a while. Still, I don't get the hype surrounding O-Khan or why I should be excited about him getting a title shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kas Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Jay White is back and we can breathe easy again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Honestly, I always thought it was an angle anyway. Jay White vs Ishii. I'm so there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 KENTA-Mox finally taking place on February 26th on NJPW Strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 For all the WK hype (and I LOVED Shingo/Cobb), Tanahashi vs. Shingo is my runaway MOTY and a legit ***** classic. I came into it with incredibly high expectations and they somehow smashed those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 I wasn't feeling it until very late in the match, but they sure got me at the end. Great match indeed. Post-match however was garbage. They sure did not give the belt to Tana so he can pass it to that complete waste of space and time that is Great O-Khan, right ? That would be such a downer. And I'm so tired of every babyface celebration at the end of the show turning into a sneak attack, it's beyond tired (and honestly frustrating for the fans, send the people happy already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted February 5, 2021 Report Share Posted February 5, 2021 My guess is that O-Khan does indeed win the NEVER title (bleh) and drops it to Shingo later in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Question, is O-Khan just really green so we haven't seen what he's capable of yet ala Jay White in 2017 or Nakamura in 2003? Or is he limited yet capable of shining in situations that play to his strengths like Evil or Makabe or Fale? Or is he just bad like, hopelessly bad like Captain New Japan or Chase Owens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted February 11, 2021 Report Share Posted February 11, 2021 On 2/9/2021 at 11:21 PM, joeg said: Question, is O-Khan just really green so we haven't seen what he's capable of yet ala Jay White in 2017 or Nakamura in 2003? Or is he limited yet capable of shining in situations that play to his strengths like Evil or Makabe or Fale? Or is he just bad like, hopelessly bad like Captain New Japan or Chase Owens? It's a little early to tell, but I trend towards that second one. Although, part of his problem is that I'm not exactly sure of his strengths - he's not big and impressive like Fale, his gimmick isn't as cool as Evil was for a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 Haven't watched any of the matches save the Okada-EVIL stuff from this week, but it seems like these were fairly lackluster cards. Not to mention the disqualification finishes looking a little too much like WWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 Yeah, these were real downer shows for me. All the main events were overly long, and the tag title match was egregiously so, especially given the finish. Just a very flat couple of days. I like the direction of the next shows for the most part, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 15 hours ago, Migs said: All the main events were overly long, I've watched Hiromu vs Sho and yeah, you can scratch EASILY 15mn out of it. The first 15 minutes were basically wasting time with a totally aimless and neverending elbow exchanges and then two big spots outsides for fake drama purposes. And by fake drama I mean, no one ever wins a match by count out in NJPW, yet they do that "count goes to 19 and..... guy gets back in" every time. Ok, whatever, it's a trope. But they did it no less than 3 times in those first 15 minutes. Somewhere there's an excellent 17mn match buried in here, but the one thing going so long did for me was expose Sho as someone who just is not that great (he can do lot of stuff because of his physical abilities, but really he wasn't very compelling to watch out of himself, as it was obvious Takahashi was the one carrying the match from A to Z), which I don't think is the point. And kayfabe wise, you get the longest IWGP Jr. title match ever involving Sho ? Seriously now ? That doesn't make Hiromu look strong at all and that doesn't make this match go epic and legendary, it makes the whole thing just self-conscious about going way long for the sake of it. Considering the feedback, I'm not even sure I want to watch Ibushi vs Sanada, which I was quite interested in after WK. I wonder if this year is gonna end up being like last year, a great WK show (well, two of them), a great G1 Climax and really disappointing stuff in between with bad, repetitive booking with bullshit galore, and overlong matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted February 12, 2021 Report Share Posted February 12, 2021 51 minutes ago, El-P said: Considering the feedback, I'm not even sure I want to watch Ibushi vs Sanada, which I was quite interested in after WK. To be clear, this didn't end up being some 45 minute slog, but it even at just under a half hour I thought it could have been trimmed and just kinda never got into full gear. Zack Sabre on commentary was fairly amusing, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 22 hours ago, Migs said: To be clear, this didn't end up being some 45 minute slog, but it even at just under a half hour I thought it could have been trimmed and just kinda never got into full gear. Well, your comment encouraged me to watch it after all, and I enjoyed it much more than the Hiromu vs Sho match. The bolded part, yeah, it's been an issue of a lot of SANADA's big matches, although it doesn't bother me that much. He has that very old-school NJ feel to his work, probably stemming from the fact he's a Mutoh disciple, with some matwork to start the match and a submission hold which is pretty derivative from Fujinami (without the urgency though, and it kinda hurts the perception of the ending stretch when they stay too long in the spot). Overall I thought it was really good, although the awful looking TKO spot outside took me out of it for a moment. The fact SANADA can get a (and the only legit one to me) nearfall using the fucking Backlund finisher in 2021 is pretty cool. Ibushi has this thing where he really works toward the style of his opponent, which is also why I believe it did not kick into high gear. Overall, a cool first little title defense for Ibushi. I wonder if they really are gonna split up the titles again though with this defense of the IC against Naito (too soon to do that one again, uh ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted February 13, 2021 Report Share Posted February 13, 2021 Speaking of Mutoh, he's the new GHC heavyweight champion.That makes him the third wrestler in history to have held all three major heavyweight titles in Japan along with Kensuke Sasaki and Yoshihiro Takayama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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