The Following Contest Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Watch the end of Halloween Havoc 1996 again. Hogan leaves Savage laying. Bagpipes. "He doesn't even work here!" version 8.0. But then, when the promo starts, Hogan clearly feeds Piper a line; "we were neck and neck." Roddy says "not yet," and proceeds to do his "did they come to cheer you or boo me" routine. Hogan cuts him off and again feeds him the line, "we were neck and neck," and Roddy again goes off on his own. At this point it's clear Hogan is trying to get something in before the PPV goes off the air, whereas Piper is clearly going into business for himself, putting himself over rather than getting to the "me vs. you" part. Was there any discussion of this in the sheets or on rspw at the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Following Contest Posted December 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Sorry guys. Typing on Blackberry. For some reason the spaces/paragraph breaks between paragraphs don't show up when I post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I don't think this was Piper going into business for himself as much as it was Hogan's character groveling and trying to escape Piper's wrath, only for Piper to say, "Not so fast." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I definitely viewed it Contest's way when I watched this again on the '96 Yearbook--at one point, Hogan literally breaks character and practically pleads for Piper to get back on track. That said, Piper was such a rambler that it was often hard to tell when the working stopped and shooting began. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drew wardlaw Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I just rewatched this a couple weeks ago and it didn't feel like Piper was going into business for himself. To me it just felt like he went off on a rant and got lost along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Warrior was much worse in this regard, as the Self-Destruction program pointed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy Bagwell Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Warrior was much worse in this regard, as the Self-Destruction program pointed out because that exercise in propaganda is the definitive article right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Warrior pointed out on Nitro that he had a victory over Hogan, they even showed the clip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Don't recall Piper having much of a rep for adhering to scripts. Sounds like he was just all over the place rather than going into business for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Warrior pointed out on Nitro that he had a victory over Hogan, they even showed the clip. Yea but what is bad about that? I never understood why that was apparently some big no-no, it was one of the most iconic matches in history and it's not like people didn't know Warrior beat him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Because Hogan's ego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Hogan I think also rightfully saw his role as the guy to keep the segment on focus. It doesn't mean Piper was sandbagging him as much as I think it means Hogan was really in a zone at this point and knew exactly what he needed to do to make everything work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judy Bagwell Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 there was a match in WCW where Piper changed the finish in ring and got a tremendous amount of heat for it, Im not sure exactly which match it was that was one of Pipers faults imo he refused to do clean jobs for just about everybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Am I wrong thinking that this segment freaking ruled and between this and WWIII I was super psyched to see a Hogan-Piper match in 1996? Heck even rewatching this stuff like 5 years ago those two segments did a really great job of wanting me to see a match that I knew would suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB8 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I'm actually in the process of watching the Hogan/Piper build up on the '96 yearbook, and I'm with you (Grimmas). I'm not expecting the match to be very good, but the build to it has been tremendous fun (I even watched any Piper and/or Hogan segments that never made the yearbook by hitting up Nitros on the Network). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Am I wrong thinking that this segment freaking ruled and between this and WWIII I was super psyched to see a Hogan-Piper match in 1996? Heck even rewatching this stuff like 5 years ago those two segments did a really great job of wanting me to see a match that I knew would suck. They did a great job building it, it had been over 10 years since they locked up and it was with a fresh dynamic because of Hogan's turn and it being a new company. So no, not at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 In hindsight, the Starrcade match didn't even suck. (Especially compared to the rematches.) Perfectly watchable brawl, two or three stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Warrior pointed out on Nitro that he had a victory over Hogan, they even showed the clip. Yea but what is bad about that? I never understood why that was apparently some big no-no, it was one of the most iconic matches in history and it's not like people didn't know Warrior beat him. Hogan's point in the interview was that dredging it up meant it took some of the heat out of the build-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Warrior pointed out on Nitro that he had a victory over Hogan, they even showed the clip. Yea but what is bad about that? I never understood why that was apparently some big no-no, it was one of the most iconic matches in history and it's not like people didn't know Warrior beat him. Hogan's point in the interview was that dredging it up meant it took some of the heat out of the build-up. Yea but that's just Hogan bullshit. I've seen that before he says something like "why would they want to see us wrestle again you already told them you could beat me?" which would essentially mean Hogan thinks no one ever wants to see rematches. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 That angle with him and Warrior in WCW didn't exactly set the world on fire anyway. And to be fair, bringing up past victories was the least of their problems. Bringing this back to Piper, he had his moments on the mic in WCW but it was pretty clear that without Vince to rein him in his rambling style seemed much more aimless, which is the same old story of how WCW failed without having someone like him running things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye12 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Warrior pointed out on Nitro that he had a victory over Hogan, they even showed the clip. Yea but what is bad about that? I never understood why that was apparently some big no-no, it was one of the most iconic matches in history and it's not like people didn't know Warrior beat him. Hogan's point in the interview was that dredging it up meant it took some of the heat out of the build-up. Yea but that's just Hogan bullshit. I've seen that before he says something like "why would they want to see us wrestle again you already told them you could beat me?" which would essentially mean Hogan thinks no one ever wants to see rematches. Ever. It wasn't so much that he brought it up since it was based on the past match, but he said he wasn't back to beat him again because that was too easy and no big deal since everyone else already had too. Yes, top heels lose three fourths of the time one way or another, Flair did it for years, but nobody ever came out and pointed that out quite like that. It was just an odd direction for him to go. Not even sure Warrior did it with that intention, but it came off terrible how he just dismissed Hogan as not even being a challenge on the very first night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrainfollower Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 He never wants anyone to point out he's lost a match. Hogan's a delusional mark for himself and has been for decades. Hawkeye is right but that's not what Hogan's said. Hogan thinks pointing out the WM VI result was the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kil Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 Watch the end of Halloween Havoc 1996 again. Hogan leaves Savage laying. Bagpipes. "He doesn't even work here!" version 8.0. But then, when the promo starts, Hogan clearly feeds Piper a line; "we were neck and neck." Roddy says "not yet," and proceeds to do his "did they come to cheer you or boo me" routine. Hogan cuts him off and again feeds him the line, "we were neck and neck," and Roddy again goes off on his own. At this point it's clear Hogan is trying to get something in before the PPV goes off the air, whereas Piper is clearly going into business for himself, putting himself over rather than getting to the "me vs. you" part. Was there any discussion of this in the sheets or on rspw at the time? Last time i watched this I thought the "not yet" was because Hogan was basically responding to Piper's promo before Piper even started it. That it was Hogan jumping the gun, skipping ahead in the "script" before Piper got his lines in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Bryan Alvarez recently said on one of his podcasts that Piper was going off script and Hogan was trying to reign him in. I figure he got that information from reviewing the Observer coverage around that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I definitely viewed it Contest's way when I watched this again on the '96 Yearbook--at one point, Hogan literally breaks character and practically pleads for Piper to get back on track. That said, Piper was such a rambler that it was often hard to tell when the working stopped and shooting began. Unlikely to be shooting. Coke rambling was much more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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