Laney Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 There's a lot of people that I'm surprised haven't showed up yet. I'm very interested to see where New Jack shows up at this point.
Mando Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 I'm probably legitimately the high vote on New Jack
El-P Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 Kopylov getting 4 votes isn't amazing in any way. Come on, an obscure Russian guy from RINGS, 16 years after shoot-style went out of style. I find it pretty amazing, in a good way of course. Always liked Kopylov.
El-P Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 I'm probably legitimately the high vote on New Jack New Jack may be a sociopath, but he's still a pretty funny guy. Although I wish another pro-wrestler would have the same first name as I do.
GOTNW Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 Kopylov getting 4 votes isn't amazing in any way. Come on, an obscure Russian guy from RINGS, 16 years after shoot-style went out of style. I find it pretty amazing, in a good way of course. Always liked Kopylov. He is the second best known RINGS foreigner, nowhere near close to being a true obscure RINGS guy. This is a place where people are predicting a top ten finish for someone who's spent the last twenty years being an annoying WWE commentator so you'd hope something going out of style wouldn't matter as much. I didn't even vote for him fwiw, but him being here does reflect on how the other 20 or so shoot guys I ranked might fare.
El-P Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 Now I understand why Johnny didn't get the Jericho's tights joke, which was really good. This is a place where people are predicting a top ten finish for someone who's spent the last twenty years being an annoying WWE commentator so you'd hope something going out of style wouldn't matter as much. Well, Mima Shimoda finished tied in with Trish Stratus. And Memphis as been like one of the most popular stuff in our little circle for a decade or so at this point (even more when you think DVDVR). So yeah, the fact a RINGS foreigner not called Volk Han gets any vote in surprising to me. It's not like RINGS was very talked about anyway even back then outside or an even smaller circle which I was a part of.
WingedEagle Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 Didn't rank Hamaguchi but really happy to see that others did. Feels like a superior Akitoshi Saito who never really had his own classics but but played an excellent role in a ton of multi-man matches.
WingedEagle Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 Echo those thoughts for Ashura Hara. Him, Ishikawa & that ilk were all late bubble cuts for me that I really wanted to make room for quite couldn't. Vital players in a ton of great matches in big feuds.
jaedmc Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 Pretty sure if I hadn't done my list so quickly and had time to sit down and pour over more stuff Kengo Kimura would have probably made my ballot. Really I could say that about a lot of people. It's been only a week and I think the majority of my ballot has already changed in my head.
jpchicago23 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 I feel the same way as do a lot of people I assume. I'm going to be posting parts of my list on my blog soon and I've already switched some of my picks. Still happy with what I submitted though
Loss Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 Kengo Kimura is my first guy to drop. I had him in the bottom 10, though, so no icon change just yet, since Parties had him higher.
Loss Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 And then Espectrito right after that? Two in a row! I do hope that people who haven't really explored Espectrito will check him out sometime. I made a list of recommended matches in his thread.
Eegah Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 I am definitely going to check out more mini stuff.
Loss Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 "That's okay, Yumiko Hotta, I'm sure no one will ever notice." -- Jan Brady
Grimmas Posted April 10, 2016 Author Report Posted April 10, 2016 I am definitely going to check out more mini stuff. Please do. My greatest mini ever (GME) has not appeared yet!
Matt D Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 I'm confused by a world where Doug Williams is better than Brazo De Oro. And I saw Williams live a bunch of times in 00-02. And those were fine matches, but still...
Parties Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 Smarkschoice comparisons this round:159) Brazo de Oro – 213 Points (PWO: #364)224) Espectrito – 89 Points (PWO: #370)267) The Sheik – 50 Points (PWO: #372)275) Yumiko Hotta - 45 Points (PWO: #369)359) Raymond Rougeau – 21 Points (PWO: #377)395) Andrei Kopylov – 10 Points (PWO: #376)421) Joe Malenko – 5 Points (PWO: #366)Brazo de Oro and Espectrito become the 5th and 6th luchadors to take big rankings drops (Estrada, Cruz, Silver King, Canek). You also have to account for all the previously unranked lucha guys who have newly made the PWO list, but lucha and Joshi (as with Hotta) continue to be where you see the evaluations changing the most. I was one of Brazo de Oro’s ten voters: fantastic worker and to my mind the best of the Brazos, but I reckon we have Porky still to come? Has anyone else come close to ten ballots yet? Really a better showing for Oro than it looks.Sheik’s drop may be from SC voters really liking his All Japan stuff with the Funks? Or voting on character/aura/legacy/etc?Re: me being the high vote for my upcoming new user pic Kengo Kimura - I absolutely predicted he would be my lowest high vote, such that I got the pic ready earlier today. #41 is almost certainly too high for him, but he was a personal favorite and to my mind the greatest revelation of the New Japan set, which I think has been the best overall of the 80s project (though I haven’t seen the Lucha set yet). His work with Fujinami and Fujiwara in singles was phenomenal, he was a tremendous heel and face, and proved an invaluable partner in the big Tag League tournaments and multi-man gauntlets. He's the second-rate Fujinami, but in such a way that still makes him phenomenal, and I love that that also-ran status become a chip on his shoulder and part of his heelish character.
Grimmas Posted April 10, 2016 Author Report Posted April 10, 2016 Fairly sure that's a picture of El Brazo. Probably.. wasn't sure. I will find a new one. EDIT Fixed.
Laney Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 The Io Shirai picture is actually Kana/Asuka.
Grimmas Posted April 10, 2016 Author Report Posted April 10, 2016 The Io Shirai picture is actually Kana/Asuka. fucking hell. people need to get better at labelling on the interwebs. fixed. You know how hard it is to find a Shirai picture that won't come of as creepy posting it?
Parties Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 Just for some additional context on Brazo de Oro: on the Smarkschoice poll he was #159, which means he did better than Andre (#164), Greg Valentine (#170), Satomura (#173), Ishikawa (#174), Butch Reed (#175), and Pat Patterson (#176). Plus Verne, Sakuraba, Colon, Dory, AJ Styles, Punk, and many others.
Grimmas Posted April 10, 2016 Author Report Posted April 10, 2016 Just for some additional context on Brazo de Oro: on the Smarkschoice poll he was #159, which means he did better than Andre (#164), Greg Valentine (#170), Satomura (#173), Ishikawa (#174), Butch Reed (#175), and Pat Patterson (#176). Plus Verne, Sakuraba, Colon, Dory, AJ Styles, Punk, and many others. That trend will be greatly reversed.
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