paul sosnowski Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 I am almost certain that in 2001 or perhaps 2002, I saw a match somewhere in New Jersey, Lowki vs Trent Acid in a steel cage. Did this really happen? I have never been able to find anything about it anywhere. JCW perhaps? Maybe it was Ki against Billy Reil or Reckless Youth? But it was definitely a steel cage match Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 They tagged together in 2004, in JAPW (I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul sosnowski Posted July 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 Ugh...maybe the cage match was Reckless vs Trent, and Ki was also on the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 One would think their paths would have crossed between 99 and 2003. They were working the same indies in the New York, Jersey, PA, Delaware, MD part of the country. And cage match doesn't have great records for random shithole indies like Jersey All Pro, ECWA, Maryland Champion Wrestling, random NWA affiliates, WXW, IWC, ICW, etc. In August or September 2001, I saw a 4 corner 1 hour broadway in a CYO gym in the middle of nowhere Delaware with Low Ki vs Bryan Danielson vs Christopher Daniels vs Scoot Andrews. The undercard had the Haas Brothers, the SAT, Brian Kendrick, Paul London, and the usual ECWA riff raff. There is no record of that show anywhere online. There is no film of the show. I really think that happened a lot in the indies that didn't have their own production or weren't hooked up with RF or smartmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richeyedwards Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 The only match I can find with the two of them in is the 2004 tag mentioned by Rah which was japw basebrawl 2 12/06/04 low ki and acid Vs sonjay dutt and teddy Hart. There are 4 reil Vs ki matches in 2000 none of which are cage matches they are in JCW japw and wxw. There is one reckless youth Vs ki match for the japw championship which ki loses. Youth Vs acid I can find one singles match in 1999 and several multi-man matches mainly in czw. Nothing which is down as a cage match. Now this does not mean you are wrong but just may mean that it was never recorded digitally or if it was it is not in any database with an English language section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul sosnowski Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 JoeG, you are not referring to the ECWA 9/22/01 show? The Haas Brothers, London and Kendrick are not on the show... But I know I have a VHS of the main event, it was pretty heavily pimped as a great indy match in 2001 http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwa92201wilmingtonde.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I am not sure if Tim Noel still sells stuff but I know he recorded all the big ECWA shows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. To be fair, everything about indy wrestling after 2000 is fairly spotty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Come on man. He's not new to the internet and clearly was trying to recollect something that a lot of people on this site could possibly solve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Gd it, i had that reply up in draft and then you both post prior to me - lol. What are the odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Cagematch is an awesome resource but their 2000 indy results are fairly spotty. To be fair, everything about indy wrestling after 2000 is fairly spotty. Touche, seriously though the IWA-MS results are pretty awful for cagematch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricR Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 Yeah 90s thru 2004 indy results are wildly incomplete on cagematch. I got to the point where I just stopped looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 JoeG, you are not referring to the ECWA 9/22/01 show? The Haas Brothers, London and Kendrick are not on the show... But I know I have a VHS of the main event, it was pretty heavily pimped as a great indy match in 2001 http://www.rfvideo.com/ecwa92201wilmingtonde.aspx That might be it. I'm pretty sure that is it. Did it go broadway or did it just go really long? I saw one 4 way that summer that went broadway that had both Ki and Dragon and one that went really, really long with Ki and Dragon. Although I could swear Haas Brothers and Kendrick vs SAT was the Semi Main for one of them. And that Haas Brothers were on both shows. The thing I love about this board is I can talk about a show I went to 16 years ago and somebody here will correct me on the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 As a WD guy I can only shake my head at the criticism both our sites get. Just this week we had a... let's use the word Armleuchter in case he will google me , who bemoaned the lack of Showa Zenjo and Great Gama results. Don't think that we have a million ways to get all the relevant information. If you have something, send it to us or tell us how to access it. Don't just be a whiny bitch, who often enough is even too lazy to see that we have certain things. People are engaged enough to complain and not much else. Also, fuck social media. Made it sooooo much harder to research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul sosnowski Posted July 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 I can't find any complete results for ECWA shows in 2001. After the Super 8 on 2/24, there was a show on April 7 with Lowki and Danielson vs The Haas Brothers. On May 5, Lowki was in a 6 way match with Jayson Reign, Russ Haas, Charlie Haas, Scoot Andrews and Vince Goodnite. On July 21, there is a famous Ki vs Danielson match with Ricky Steamboat as referee. I'm not sure about the result of the 9/22 four way match, I have not watched it in a very long time and I don't remember it at all. "an incredible match of the year candidate in the four way main event. Low Ki, Chris Daniels, American Dragon and Scoot Andrews delivered over 30 minutes of hard-hitting, high-flying, body twisting excellence with this must see match. Ki also had a match against Chris Daniels on November 3 Ki and Dragon defended the tag titles against the SATs on December 1st. I know that the original match I asked about was not in the ECWA, cause my first show there was 1/12/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 The Low Ki vs Trent Acid cage match was on 7/16/00 in Jersey Championship Wrestling. I've been looking for it for months! Sorry I didn't see this thread sooner. JCW shows in general are almost impossible to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Always, always, ALWAYS look at Cagematch first. Per that site, they were never competing in the same match. Or wait for Loss to debunk databases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Something helpful with Low Ki matches is that he used to track all of the dates and results for his own matches on his website, which can still be found on the Wayback machine. There's also a Low Ki-El Hijo del Santo vs Mike Quackenbush-El Mariachi match from 04/16/00 I'm determined to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 El Mariachi being Solar, correct? Holy shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 No this would be the guy who worked as marachi in Lucia underground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concrete1992 Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Either way, I wanna SEE that. New Holy Grail. Screw Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Schneider Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I was at that show live, it was awesome how hard Santo would work in front of like 50 people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted August 24, 2017 Report Share Posted August 24, 2017 APPLLE - 4/20/2000 Chiller Theatre Expo Attendance 28 http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/dvdvr/dvdvr125.html Match 4 : Mike Quackenbush/Mariachi Loco v. Low-Ki/Hijo Del Santo in a lucha tag match : Mariachi Loco has the greatest current lucha indy scum mask as it's a mask with trumpet horns and a crazy tongue sticking out. Quackenbush and Low-Ki start out and do a bunch of nice reversal spots of various armbars and holds, with each coming up with a move, an escape and a counter on the mat for a bit. Santo and Mariachi do some stuff, including Santo's handstand headscissor move. Quack and Low-Ki tag in, Quack goes for ASARI's lawndart kick which misses by a bit, but gets sold, Low-Ki comes up with a with his handspring overhead roundhouse kick move. The first dive is by Quackenbush with a tope con hilo following a hip toss to the floor on Low-ki. The technicos get the first fall with Low-Ki hitting a 450 on Quackenbush and Santo hitting a rana on Mariachi. Second fall starts with Quack and Mariachi hitting a buch of double teams on Low-Ki taking over on him for a bit til Santo tags in. Santo gets worked over for a bit, but ends up countering the double teams and hitting a great tope on Quackenbush, while he's out Mariachi scores a pin with a powerbomb on Low-Ki. Third fall starts with some more work between Low-Ki and Quackenbush, Mariachi gets in a neato Octagon special on him. There's a segment where someone puts on a submission hold and their partner makes the save only to have the tables reversed. Santo and Low-Ki hit a Doomsday Device on Quackenbush followed by a La Tapatia by Santo. The end comes down to Santo and Quackenbush as Santo hits him with a flying headbutt and el Caballo for the win. A very fun match, the pacing was good, things went moving, there were only one or two flubbed spots, otherwise a very good match. Nice to see guys not mail it in given the crowd size. Brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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