FMKK Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Apparently Roman Reigns will be doing an open challenge type gimmick with the Intercontinental Title, which should be awesome. Hope it gives guys like Elias a chance to shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 ELIAS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerva Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Well it looks like Matt Hardy is starting to become broken again. This was the closest we have gotten to his TNA character and right now it is really needed. Sucks that it could be wasted on a waste of space in Bray Wyatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Ah, insane vs insane makes sense. And I loved that Elias/ Roman match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Rollins vs. Cesaro was a pretty terrific TV match and Rollins's best singles outing in quite a long time. Roman/Elias was a different, also entertaining match and textbook Roman special where he puts over someone lower on the card throughout the match before picking up the win. I also really liked that both matches had clean finishes and set up upcoming TV programs with Rollins & Ambrose vs Sheamus & Cesaro and Roman vs. Joe. Â I've got no use for this Kane nonsense, but two matches like the above and some mostly harmless filler (save the godawful Bray stuff) make me a satisfied consumer of televised wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Kane begging off was cool. I cant think of anytime Ive seen that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Give Elias a 3 month IC title run. Elias' stuff is usually corny-good and not corny-bad (see Wyatt, Bray). I couldn't tell if the Bo and Curtis' parts were piped in or not, which makes the segment tops in my book. Just good stuff all around and the Roman match right after was a nice cherry on the sundae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Has there ever been a wrestler more over-pushed than Kane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Well it looks like Matt Hardy is starting to become broken again. This was the closest we have gotten to his TNA character and right now it is really needed. Sucks that it could be wasted on a waste of space in Bray Wyatt  I can't see WWE going full hog with it by having Matt win the Heavyweight title like TNA did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Has there ever been a wrestler more over-pushed than Kane? Â His storyline brother? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Â Has there ever been a wrestler more over-pushed than Kane? Â His storyline brother? Â Â I always got the impression that Taker was a more credible attraction and when guys lost feuds to him, it seemed more like an inevitability than a straight-up heat killer like Kane. I've also always thought Taker was a better wrestler even if he wasn't great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I don't disagree with any of that. It's just that when I look the modern era, the four biggest stars have been Austin, Hogan, Rock, and Cena while the most pushed guys have been HHH, Undertaker, and Michaels. Each person in the latter group brings some positives, but relative to their value, they have been pushed pretty hard. I realize this is a bigger conversation than this thread, and I wish I had the energy to flesh that out a little more. I just wanted you to understand what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Rock Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Oh no worries at all and that makes a ton of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I'd love to see that discussion expanded in a thread some time. Although Taker was always heavily pushed and protected, I'm not sure that he was ever pushed above his overness in the way that HHH and HBK arguably were quite a bit. Crowds were always into him I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 With Taker the gimmick always had legs, corny as they might have been. From the original Grim Reaper to the evil cult leader of the Attitude Era, the we'll-pretend-this-never-happened Biker era, into the WWE Legend Taker era there's always been some substance there. Kane as a character has never really gone too far past "Taker's presumed dead brother who was burned for a while then wasn't". It was like the took one of Hogan's villians of the month from the 80s and made a 20+ year run with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 If the fans are determined not to accept Roman Reigns, WWE ought to take advantage and use it to potentially elevate Elias. A Roman/Elias title feud, with Shield vs. Elias/Dallas/Axel matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 If the fans are determined not to accept Roman Reigns, WWE ought to take advantage and use it to potentially elevate Elias. A Roman/Elias title feud, with Shield vs. Elias/Dallas/Axel matches. Â Roman has been treated predominantly as a babyface by crowds the last two weeks, especially in the Miz match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Â If the fans are determined not to accept Roman Reigns, WWE ought to take advantage and use it to potentially elevate Elias. A Roman/Elias title feud, with Shield vs. Elias/Dallas/Axel matches. Â Roman has been treated predominantly as a babyface by crowds the last two weeks, especially in the Miz match. Â Â Agreed. But, last night was a much different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Â Â If the fans are determined not to accept Roman Reigns, WWE ought to take advantage and use it to potentially elevate Elias. A Roman/Elias title feud, with Shield vs. Elias/Dallas/Axel matches. Â Roman has been treated predominantly as a babyface by crowds the last two weeks, especially in the Miz match. Â Â Agreed. But, last night was a much different story. Â I'm not sure what you mean? Last night the Roman cheers and the "Let's Go Roman" chants were way louder than the boos and the "Roman Sucks" chants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 There were also "we want Roman" chants during the Elias promo and "Roman" chants when he was fighting out of the chinlock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Roman, just like Cena, will be cheered as long as he's not being pushed as the main focal point of the company and out of title contention. The minute they start ramping back up for the Lesnar Mania match it will be right back to square one. The most hilarious timeline will be if the recent cheers convince the company they can get away with having Roman win the Rumble in Philly and be surprised at the outcome that will invaribly result from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMKK Posted November 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 I actually think they might build to title vs title at Mania instead and put a Smackdown guy over at the Rumble. The way they've been hyping the prestige of the IC title and pimping Roman as a grand slam winner, fighting champion etc. makes me feel like they're laying the groundwork for him calling out Brock for not defending his title and saying he's the true top champion and so on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 I'd love to see that discussion expanded in a thread some time. Although Taker was always heavily pushed and protected, I'm not sure that he was ever pushed above his overness in the way that HHH and HBK arguably were quite a bit. Crowds were always into him I thought. I think you could make the case that until late 95/96 Shawn was *underpushed* in relation to how over he was. Obviously he was pushed strong from 96-98 and I would definitely agree there were lots of times he was pushed too strong post comeback. I always thought he should haven working with more undercard guys in those 8 years post back injury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 Â Â Â If the fans are determined not to accept Roman Reigns, WWE ought to take advantage and use it to potentially elevate Elias. A Roman/Elias title feud, with Shield vs. Elias/Dallas/Axel matches. Â Roman has been treated predominantly as a babyface by crowds the last two weeks, especially in the Miz match. Â Â Agreed. But, last night was a much different story. Â I'm not sure what you mean? Last night the Roman cheers and the "Let's Go Roman" chants were way louder than the boos and the "Roman Sucks" chants. Â Â It sounded to me like Elias got a much bigger reaction, especially during the promo when he was calling Roman out. But, I only caught snippets of the actual match, since I was working. So, I'll take your word for it, if you say the crowd was much more for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 They even went along with the roar thing he does pre-spear. I loved that match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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