JHawk Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 They can't, since they lost a lawsuit over the rights to the "SuperStars of Wrestling" name. Notice when you see 80s WWF TV matches on 24/7 the Superstars banner is blurred out. I've never heard of this. What's the deal? Also, I think people complaining about the first match or two on old house shows being soul sucking jobber headlockfests are missing the point. Those matches were usually just filler, as the crowd always arrived late. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was an Australian fed that had the name first. I don't know how that violates American copyright laws, but there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 There was a Superstars of Wrestling in Australia, but what happened to the WWF show is while Vince was taking over the world he forgot to actually trademark the "Superstars of Wrestling" name. It's actually copyrighted by a guy who owns or owned an indy fed in the Midwest. He ended up getting royalties from Vince and since he'd be entitled to more with DVDs and 24/7 it gets the blur-o-vision treatment. *edit* Upon checking the Trademark Office website, the WWF did actually copyright the phrase but let it expire on September 11, 1987 (NEVAR FORGET!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 November schedule (the Shorties this month are guys who used to play football): Brian Pillman, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG Ernie Ladd vs Sammartino, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG Goldberg vs Hogan, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG Hall of Fame: Roddy Piper, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-27-07 TV-14 History of ECW 1/21/96, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-14 LT vs Bam Bam Bigelow, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG NWA Wrestling 1/4/86, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG Piper vs Jake Roberts, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-14 Piper vs Paul Orndorff, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-14 Roddy Piper vs Bret Hart, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-14 Vader vs Ric Flair, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG World Class 1/22/83, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-14 WWE 24/7 November, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-27-07 TV-PG WWE Divas Preview, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-27-07 TV-PG WWE Families Preview, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-27-07 TV-PG WWE Prime Time 8/3/87, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-6-07 TV-PG WWE SummerSlam 2007, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-14 WWE Sur. Series '90 PT1, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG WWE Sur. Series '90 PT2, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-13-07 TV-PG WWE Sur. Series Preview, 2007 WWE 11-1-07 11-27-07 TV-PG Monday Night War 4/7/97, 2007 WWE 11-7-07 11-20-07 TV-14 Most Powerful Families, 2007 WWE 11-7-07 11-20-07 TV-14 Viva Las Divas of the WWE, 2007 WWE 11-7-07 11-20-07 TV-14 WWE MSG 12/28/90, 2007 WWE 11-7-07 11-20-07 TV-14 WWE TNT 2/8/86, 2007 WWE 11-7-07 11-13-07 TV-PG Dr. Death Tag Team Match, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-30-07 TV-PG History of ECW 1/28/96, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-14 Kevin Greene vs McMichael, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-30-07 TV-PG NWA Wrestling 1/11/86, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-14 Piper vs Hulk Hogan, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-PG Roddy Piper vs Mr. T, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-14 Roddy Piper vs The Hammer, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-14 Ron Simmons vs Cactus, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-30-07 TV-PG SNME 11/26/88, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-14 The Rock vs Stone Cold, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-30-07 TV-14 William Perry, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-30-07 TV-PG WWE Prime Time 8/10/87, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-20-07 TV-14 WWE Sur. Series '95 PT1, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-14 WWE Sur. Series '95 PT2, 2007 WWE 11-14-07 11-27-07 TV-14 Monday Night War 4/21/97, 2007 WWE 11-21-07 12-4-07 TV-14 Turkey Day Turmoil, 2007 WWE 11-21-07 11-27-07 TV-PG WWE Boston 11/9/85, 2007 WWE 11-21-07 12-4-07 TV-14 WWE TNT 3/7/86, 2007 WWE 11-21-07 11-27-07 TV-14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Holy shit, Kerry is just completely drugged out in the newest WCCW episode. Like so coked I can just imagine Mike watching it on TV and being all "man, you're pretty fucked up there bro". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Holy shit, Kerry is just completely drugged out in the newest WCCW episode. Like so coked I can just imagine Mike watching it on TV and being all "man, you're pretty fucked up there bro".He didn't seem coked out to me, but he sure did seem fucking stoned. He did pull off the point of the segment, that being the whole "this is the first time Kerry has seen this footage" deal...while stoned. The Kevin/ Bundy match on this show is really, really good. Oh, and Lowrence's intro of "The Samoan" was great. "From Samoa, the Samoan". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Is the "Shorties" Ernie Ladd/Bruno match any good at all? They keep tempting me with matches featuring guys I'd like to see wrestle -- I've heard a lot about Ladd but have never seen him work -- but they're always opposite Bruno. I really don't want to waste 20 more minutes on another awful Sammartino match. On a side note, was Sammartino ever in a match anyone would classify as "good?" I mean, I'm the last guy to be all "man, Bruno didn't do enough moves," but the dude seriously did next to nothing in the ring and I can't even figure out any psychology designed to get the viewer emotionally invested in his matches outside "the Northeast immigrants and their kids love him so they cheer for him." Please note I don't want to hear about tag matches. I was actually there for Sammartino's final WWF match and, looking back, I'm sure Bundy, Gang, and Hogan did all the work. Also, special ref work doesn't count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHawk Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Some of the Zbyszko matches were pretty good brawls. As far as solid scientific wrestling, you probably won't find much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Some of the Zbyszko matches were pretty good brawls. As far as solid scientific wrestling, you probably won't find much. Thanks for the info. Yeah, I don't expect the guy to be busting out cravates and elaborate reversals and whatnot, but god damn, give me something other than punchy kicky with no meaning, leading to nothing, then the finish (or non-finish). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 I liked his matches with Baba in the JWA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Some of the Zbyszko matches were pretty good brawls. As far as solid scientific wrestling, you probably won't find much. Thanks for the info. Yeah, I don't expect the guy to be busting out cravates and elaborate reversals and whatnot, but god damn, give me something other than punchy kicky with no meaning, leading to nothing, then the finish (or non-finish). This is why it would be good(?) to see the Bruno-Pedro match that went 76 minutes from Shea Stadium. I doubt they filmed it, though. Can you imagine, those two going 76 minutes to a curfew draw, both acting the babyface role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 This was the first time I ever saw the Flair/Vader match. Holy crap. I heard it was good, but had no idea it was THAT good. Easily one of my five favorite Flair matches ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 damn, give me something other than punchy kicky with no meaning, leading to nothing, then the finish (or non-finish). I liked both the Samartino v Zbysco matches that were on the DVDVR 80s set. Both worked really "king of the hill game" psyche. All about who controls the center of the ring. Which almost felt like amateur wrestling psyche (guys trying to control center). Bruno doesn't really have good punches for a guy doing a brawler gimmick but he does have really great stiff kicks and stomps. At some point in both matches (and in some other Bruno matches that I've seen) Bruno starts selling the arm and you have the heel beats on face Brunos arm---Brunos arm hurts thus he can no longer punch---thus Bruno goes all leg strike. Which is an amusing little story. "Control the center" and "arm hurts thus going to leg attack" is close to "meaning leading to something". then the finish (or non-finish) This is same problem I had with alot of the IWE Japan I watched where matches just kind of end by ending. Bruno v Zbysco matches both had similar finish style but were more rewarding than most of those IWE finishes. And personally perfered the ending by just ending than the near fall stuff in the Patterson v Patera matches from same shows. There is also a ten minute Bruno v Von Rashke match on youtube (which has some clipping) that I really dug. I keep telling Phil to watch that as neat to see "Hey Von Raschke at one point was fun and absolutely smokes Baron Scicluna". Which I didn't really know till I saw that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Somewhere in my tape stack I've got an hour broadway between Bruno and Baba, from around 1970-ish. Let's just say that I've never felt courageous enough to tackle that bad boy. (To be fair, the crappy VQ has a lot to do with that too.) Yes, Bruno is basically proto-Hogan, a guy who gets beaten on for eternity by the evil (usually foreign) heel, before finally deciding he's mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore with a fiery punchkick comeback. I've seen him buck the formula a few times, but the majority of his matches tend to look an awful lot alike. He's one of those guys who makes me wonder how he stayed so amazingly popular for so long; compared to contemporaries like Thesz, Carpentier, Rocca, Brisco, Dory Jr, and so on, his style looked awfully simplistic and phony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 .......and much like Hogan, Bruno was stuck facing some real loads but was able to have some good-great matches when the other guy was able to carry his part of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Youtube Baron v Bruno: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go5m5M0ADTo I'm trying to think of a Superstar Graham match I enjoyed as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I had no idea Harley Race was working Crockett and started a fued with Magnum TA in early 1986. Did they ever go anywhere with this? It must have been shortlived. I didn't have cable at the time, they never mentioned it on WorldWide, and never read one bit about it in any of the Apter mags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 I believe it was a quick one and done job to give a rub to TA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Race was in the WWF by the summer, so there wasn't much time to do anything. A Race-TA feud would certainly have been awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 So the new group for the latest Legends Roundtable is Jim Ross, Pat Patterson, Michael Hayes, Mick Foley..........and Tazz. Even he seems a little surprised to be there. The topic of the show is "Bad Asses" and the high point has to be JR flipping out when someone (Hayes I think) mentioned Adrian Street was someone who you wouldn't think was a bad ass because of his gimmick but really was. Ross seemed to think that the implication was that someone gay couldn't be a bad ass, but also making clear that Adrian was just working a gimmick and was married to Miss Linda. The rest of the roundtable were just like "ok, no one's really saying what you think they said". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Eddie Izard probably owes his standup career to Adrian Street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 This was the first time I ever saw the Flair/Vader match. Holy crap. I heard it was good, but had no idea it was THAT good. Easily one of my five favorite Flair matches ever. Rewatching that match last week actually turned me off Vader a little. IMO, it really exposed him as just a big fat dude who couldn't really wrestle all that well, but sure knew how to stiff guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 This was the first time I ever saw the Flair/Vader match. Holy crap. I heard it was good, but had no idea it was THAT good. Easily one of my five favorite Flair matches ever. Rewatching that match last week actually turned me off Vader a little. IMO, it really exposed him as just a big fat dude who couldn't really wrestle all that well, but sure knew how to stiff guys. Ric Flair probably wasn't the best guy off which Vader could showcase his skills. Regardless of Vader's skills though, it was a great match. I love the AWA show on this week. I don't know how good the matches are, but I love seeing a whole show of stuff I've never seen before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted November 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 That was Ric Flair's "one last chance at the top" babyface push that people are still clamoring for many years later, perhaps not remembering that it's already happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spunk Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Holy Shit@This Raw. This was like Russo at his worst, where you felt like the show was just on fucking loop. The Shawn slide-in-with-the-chair-save happened like 3 or 4 times, there was a chair affixed to Austin's leg in an attempt to break it at least twice, each time by a separate dude. I swear, I thought my dog somehow jumped on the remote and put this back an hour.. HOLY SHIT! Yuji Nagata in NINJA PANTS and boots on Nitro. Yuji Nagata is the furthest thing from a ninja ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 NWO Robert Vaughn = perfection. Where WAS Scott Hall during this period, anyway? Rehab? Jail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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