Comments that don't warrant a thread

[Log]

I did like heel Cole. I think it makes for an interesting dynamic on the show. Josh is kinda "the viewer/fan", while Cole is kinda McMahon's puppet, as Josh called him. I just don't get how they'll reconcile that Cole with the white-bread douche from Monday nights.

 

Cole's been wierd lately. He comes off as almost hostile toward Striker a lot of times, as does Lawler. Striker's schtick has worn thin to me, but the hostility is still odd. It's just not right hearing Cole be the grizzled vet of the announcers. It makes me picture a "commentators court" like the wrestler's court and Cole in The Undertaker's role.

[Kronos]

I seriously doubt anyone cares, but I feel the need to mention it anyway - just briefly.  

 

 

 

 

A few months back, I said something stupid and inappropriate on DVDVR, and Phil rightly invited my a$$ off the forum.  Since then, I have lurked here but chosen not to post out of respect for that banning (and out of shame for acting a fool).  I believe I have worked it out with him.  And so I am going to start posting again.  Like I said, you probably don't care.  But I respect the members of this forum, so I thought I would let you know that I apologize for what I said.   I didn't mean it, and I shall be on my best behavior.  

 

 

 

 

/drama

[Tawren]

From kjh's cageside seats post:

 

When the news broke that Ric Flair, renown for his alcoholism, womanising and public displays of nudity, had pissed off his wife so much that she had assaulted him I knew that the wrestling media would cover for his indiscretions with little, if any, criticism for his behaviour. It’s long past the time they needed to tell him to grow up. Why would they start now?

That's a pretty fucked up thing to say. He deserved domestic abuse because he drinks or isn't monogamous or any other "indiscretion"? Once again I find the "I'm smarter than Dave~" crew to be going a bit overboard

[Bix]

Keith can defend himself but I'm pretty sure his point was more that the original version Dave gave on WO Radio certainly implied he did SOMETHING bad, even if he didn't do anything to deserve being assaulted. Plus, with Flair's history of domestic violence (namely Beth's allegations that he would hit her and then blade so it would look like she hit first and did more damage) and all of the stories of how he acts when he's drunk, it's reasonable to believe that more happened than his wife hitting him for no reason or because a waitress offered to be his designated driver.

[rovert]

From kjh's cageside seats post:

 

When the news broke that Ric Flair, renown for his alcoholism, womanising and public displays of nudity, had pissed off his wife so much that she had assaulted him I knew that the wrestling media would cover for his indiscretions with little, if any, criticism for his behaviour. It’s long past the time they needed to tell him to grow up. Why would they start now?

That's a pretty fucked up thing to say. He deserved domestic abuse because he drinks or isn't monogamous or any other "indiscretion"? Once again I find the "I'm smarter than Dave~" crew to be going a bit overboard

 

Actually I think it seems the crew has graduated on to being "I'm smarter than the Wrestling media~" with that board stroke approach being taken in that article to the entire Wrestling media.

 

I find the crew's pursuit of Dave far, far more odious than Dave's reporting on this issue. Often there is a reasonable point to be made but the crew just ruins their own case by resorting to Ring of Hellesque caterwauling such as the example of above.

[sek69]

So I guess "the crew" is the meme for 2010?

 

I'd be more willing to believe there's an anti Dave faction if a better example could be found than people pointing out that he constantly plays down/makes excuses for a 60 something year old man who still rocks out with his cock out like it's 1985. Not to come off as blaming the victim, but if someone with a well known history of drinking and womanizing ends up getting his ass kicked by his wife, it's not a large logical leap to assume he probably was doing something.

[rovert]

So I guess "the crew" is the meme for 2010?

Going by "the crew's" own list of memes which actually includes the term meme oddly, you'll be using the term straw man next here.

[Bix]

Oh c'mon, this isn't new at all, and we've talked about it before on this forum.

[Guest Cerebus The Aardvark]

The Taker-Michaels "Running Up That Hill" video on Raw tonight was possibly the best video package in WWFE history. Consider the ground that covers.

Wait...did they use the song for the package? The Placebo version?

[Bix]

The Taker-Michaels "Running Up That Hill" video on Raw tonight was possibly the best video package in WWFE history. Consider the ground that covers.

Wait...did they use the song for the package? The Placebo version?

 

Yeah, they used the Placebo cover. If they used the Kate Bush original, it would definitely be the best ever.

[S.L.L.]

So I guess "the crew" is the meme for 2010?

It could be worse. It could be "the Cru".

[Bob Morris]

Wow, just months after the fans vote Maria as the most popular diva in the company, she gets her walking papers. Not that I believe there is a conspiracy afoot, but it still makes you raise an eyebrow.

 

Also gone: Gregory Helms and Paul Burchill.

[rovert]

And people bitched about WWE's treatment of Mickie James.

 

Can't wait for the 3 Count reunion in TNA.

[Loss]

I'm surprised it took this long for Helms, but really, I've heard worse ideas than him doing a lot of indy shows.

[jdw]

Actually I think it seems the crew has graduated on to being "I'm smarter than the Wrestling media~" with that board stroke approach being taken in that article to the entire Wrestling media.

 

I find the crew's pursuit of Dave far, far more odious than Dave's reporting on this issue. Often there is a reasonable point to be made but the crew just ruins their own case by resorting to Ring of Hellesque caterwauling such as the example of above.

Discussion of Dave's coverage of Flair is something that goes back to the 90s. Hell, people in the 80s even commented on it.

 

To Dave's defenders:

 

Critisicm of Dave = Jealous Obessive Nutjobs

 

Christ do I know that, because I was a defender of Dave's probably before you ever started reading him.

 

On the other hand to Dave's readers:

 

Dave's Nearly 30 Years of Critisicm of Hulk Hogan = Fair Reporting & Commentary

 

I'm not saying that Dave hasn't largely been fair with Hogan, and I certainly enjoyed the stuff over the years. But there's an internal inconsistancy for Dave Fans (and Dave himself) who see mountains and decades of criticism of Hogan to be valid and warranted, but pretty much all criticism of Dave to be crackpot.

 

Frankly most of Dave's defenders are more than willing to take shots at Wade for things that aren't far removed from the type of criticism that Dave gets. Again... I know: I've been a defender of Dave's, and was willing to be critical of Wade... even when I wrote for Wade. I've sat and listened to Dave toss some of that as well.

 

Crackpot/Nutjob/Obsessive is an easy way to avoid thinking about the critical comments. It was a dodge when Scherer and Ryder rolled it out when people pointed out their errors (or to a greater degree their utter bullshit). It's a dodge when Wade rolls it out. It's a dodge when Dave goes to it. His defenders don't do him any favors by going to it either.

 

John

[KrisZ]

When it comes to media being biased towards a subject name me someone who isn't biased at one thing. It comes with the territory these days.

[Guest Cerebus The Aardvark]

The Taker-Michaels "Running Up That Hill" video on Raw tonight was possibly the best video package in WWFE history. Consider the ground that covers.

Wait...did they use the song for the package? The Placebo version?

 

Yeah, they used the Placebo cover. If they used the Kate Bush original, it would definitely be the best ever.

 

If by "the best ever" you mean the nut low, then I agree. I can't stand the original.

 

It also depresses me that they used that song to promote Shawn/UT v48472901748689.

 

Ah well.

 

EDIT: On an unrelated note, I found this mildly amusing:

. My apologies if everyone has already seen it.

[rovert]

Actually I think it seems the crew has graduated on to being "I'm smarter than the Wrestling media~" with that board stroke approach being taken in that article to the entire Wrestling media.

 

I find the crew's pursuit of Dave far, far more odious than Dave's reporting on this issue. Often there is a reasonable point to be made but the crew just ruins their own case by resorting to Ring of Hellesque caterwauling such as the example of above.

Discussion of Dave's coverage of Flair is something that goes back to the 90s. Hell, people in the 80s even commented on it.

 

To Dave's defenders:

 

Critisicm of Dave = Jealous Obessive Nutjobs

 

Christ do I know that, because I was a defender of Dave's probably before you ever started reading him.

 

On the other hand to Dave's readers:

 

Dave's Nearly 30 Years of Critisicm of Hulk Hogan = Fair Reporting & Commentary

 

I'm not saying that Dave hasn't largely been fair with Hogan, and I certainly enjoyed the stuff over the years. But there's an internal inconsistancy for Dave Fans (and Dave himself) who see mountains and decades of criticism of Hogan to be valid and warranted, but pretty much all criticism of Dave to be crackpot.

 

Frankly most of Dave's defenders are more than willing to take shots at Wade for things that aren't far removed from the type of criticism that Dave gets. Again... I know: I've been a defender of Dave's, and was willing to be critical of Wade... even when I wrote for Wade. I've sat and listened to Dave toss some of that as well.

 

Crackpot/Nutjob/Obsessive is an easy way to avoid thinking about the critical comments. It was a dodge when Scherer and Ryder rolled it out when people pointed out their errors (or to a greater degree their utter bullshit). It's a dodge when Wade rolls it out. It's a dodge when Dave goes to it. His defenders don't do him any favors by going to it either.

 

John

 

There is a lot of merit to your post but still parts of Keith Harris's report came across as plainly odd as lets say as a ProWrestlingOnly fav Tod Martin Raw report. My issue here wasnt direcly Dave bashing more Harris's delivery of the article. Dave very clearly gives Flair preferential treatment.

 

In short a good point, poorly made and generally speaking I find kjh an interesting poster.

[El-P]

EDIT: On an unrelated note, I found this mildly amusing:

. My apologies if everyone has already seen it.

Already heard it, but Cornette telling some useless assholes to go fuck themselves never gets old with me.

[Kronos]

Is it fair to say: Cornette is easily the most bitter man in wrestling today -- at least, the most bitter who has a forum for posting it. Lance Storm complains, but he also likes a lot of stuff. Bruno and Orndorff complain, but no one listens. Al Snow complains, but he just comes across as thinking he's better than he is.

 

No, it's Cornette who is always critical. But here's the thing: To my money, he has earned the right. He understands old school wrestling. He understands storytelling. He's been there for nearly every big move in the business for 20+ years. The man's not perfect, but he knows what he's saying. And if he says Dave is a lying sack, then I believe him.

[El-P]

I'm regularly listening to the little podcast thingy Cornette does, and he doesn't strike me as bitter at all. He just doesn't care about the current product put out by WWE and TNA. I can echo the sentiment, I find both unwatchable. Cornette does tell a lot of good things about individuals he worked with over the months, but of course him ranting about how current wrestling sucks is what people want to hear, and he's often hilarious doing it. Cornette puts over the Roh product (well, he's working there, but he wasn't exactly saying tons of good things about TNA when he was there). Really, Corny seems to be enjoying life right now. Not enjoying current wrestling, but I don't see this as being bitter. He's not Ole. Al Snow comes off like a douche who thinks way too much of himself though.

[Bix]

Yeah, Cornette isn't bitter, he just doesn't like WWE or TNA for a variety of generally legitimate reasons (though his not watching kept him away during Smackdown's long stretches of awesomeness and I'm curious as to how much he'd like some of that stuff if he decided to watch it). He still loves wrestling and right now the company that he's currently in probably won't make him angry.

[sek69]

Anyone else find it amusing that the same week the WWE named Wendi Richter as the next inductee to the HOF, their most popular Diva gets endeavored out of nowhere?

[Kronos]

It's probably the case that "bitter" was the wrong word. I had also just listened to Cornette on a 10 min political rant (which was a great promo but a lousy free discussion of ideas ).

 

The word I should have chosen was "angry". He just always seems pissed off about the industry. One can be angry with good cause, so that's okay. BTW, I am glad someone else agrees with me about Snow. I liked his secrets of the ring, but he did come across as pretty self-important.

[sek69]

Wow, just listened to the min-WOL for Saturday. According to Herb, Maria got released because WWE felt she was going to get all kinds of offers after doing The Apprentice and leave like Stacy did. How insecure can a billion dollar company get? That's like my ex-girlfriend from high school who dumped me the summer after senior year since she felt I was going to meet some hot college chick and forget her.