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[Johnny Sorrow]

Jerry Lawler's comment on Vince going "over the edge" with Bret Hart is erm an interesting one last night.

I thought that's what he said.

 

Damn, that was callous of Lawler, although I presume it was screamed in his headset...

 

Or, it was just an coincidence, with no hidden meaning re: Owen Hart whatsoever.

 

Holy shit, you really think that Jerry Lawler would make that reference or it was "screamed in his headset"?

[kjh]

I thought the nightstand post over there was by Bix, not kjh.

Oh shit, you are right it and it was a dresser drawer too. I was very tried last night.

To be fair, I did think the dresser drawer part of the story was only mentioned so Ric could save face and prove that the wound was accidental and not caused by his wife's blows. I can't see Ric being happy about Hogan joking about his wife beating him up. Unlike Bix I don't really buy into the stories about Flair blading in domestic disputes.

[kjh]

Keith can sum them up. Not a highpoint for Bruce.

I think my favourite lines were:

 

"Sorry, I think those of you dying to see Ric Flair punished for all those years of having a good time, or whatever it is that's bothering you, may have to wait awhile longer. Don't feel bad, though, some folks have been waiting for decades for him to fall."

 

and

 

"Ric Flair doesn't lead his life the way I live mine, and his values aren't my values. Here's the thing, though. I'm not intolerant of people making their own way, because I expect people to let me make mine.

 

In Ric Flair, I see a passionate, talented, hard-working guy who gave more than he took, who can be shallow and has his share of flaws. He deserves criticism, but he doesn't deserve "pathetic", "con man," "train wreck", or "addict" labels, as much fun as some of you may have applying them."

[Herodes]

What is wrong with what Mitchell is saying? Don't get me wrong, I couldn't really give a fuck about any of this, but what's the story here? Flair is a fuck up? I just find the interest people are taking in this story a bit creepy.

[jdw]

What we find interesting is the coverage by the Flair Fan elements of the Wrestling Media relative to how they would have covered something similar relating to Hulk Hogan, Kevin Von Eric, etc. Even Eddy Guerrero going through his troubles got covered differently.

 

It's little different from how some thought Scherer and Ryder & Co. covered ECW differently from how they covered similar shit in other companies.

 

I guess that was "creepy" to point out back then.

 

John

[kjh]

I was about to say something similar. I'd just add that "I'm not intolerant of people making their own way" is such crap when Bruce has punted wrestlers for years for their vices.

[Bix]

If, for example, Hulk Hogan or Triple H:

 

- Revealed himself to be an uninformed dullard who cannot sum up his political views any more articulately than repeating "I just hate the word 'liberal'" and "Man, the shape that this country is in..." for several minutes.

- Stopped making payments on his house.

- Constantly drank heavily to the point that local waitresses offering him a ride is standard behavior that's become part of their job.

- Sank an absurd amount of money into a financing business that never got off the ground.

- Defrauded multiple independent promoters and merchandise companies out of large sums of money, resulting in lawsuits.

- Publicly bragged about getting wrestlers who didn't drink (both guys who just didn't like to like John Cena and recovering addicts like Shawn Michaels) to become heavy drinkers/Was sad when he failed with recovering addict William Regal.

- Attacked a co-worker (they had a history and the co-worker had been a total dick in the past, but they had been working together without incident for months) without provocation while his flunky watched the door.

- Constantly looked up the skirts of waitresses and then proclaimed that he had to check because everyone knows he only has sex with women who have enough pubic hair for his liking.

- Was arrested for choking a stranger in a fit of road rage.

- Was accused by one of his wives of blading when he beat her so he could claim self defense to the police.

- Made a habit out of exposing himself to strangers over the course of a few decades to the point that the top wrestling reporter referenced to one story told by another wrestler in a "stop me if you've heard this one before fashion" and got sued over at least one of those incidents, in which he also was alleged to force a woman to touch his genitals.

 

How do you think it would be covered?

[jdw]

Hogan would get a hot poker up the ass if he did that stuff.

 

For example, how often does Hogan get ripped when he says something about Inoki/Choshu/Fujinami? Wait... there was one in this week's WON?

 

Seriously, it was just another one of those stupid Hogan Interviews that he's done a hundred times over the decades saying stupid stuff. Yet Dave still enjoys kicking him in the balls. It's a bit like the dogs in Up when they see a squirrel:

 

Dave: "HOGAN!"

 

We all agree that Hogan is a goofy, lying, egotistical piece of shit. And a lot of the ball busting Dave has done about him over the years is pretty funny.

 

But if he can take the time to bust Hogan's balls for the 100th times (literally, and I'm being *conservative*), then perhaps when Flair's life is such a freaking trainwreck that the new low is getting drunk and slapped around by Wife #4... perhaps... maybe... Dave can actually cover him like he does *most* people in wrestling.

 

Lots of us have pointed this out over the years. There simply are people he goes light on covering like he does other folks. It doesn't mean that Dave "never" is critical of them. It doesn't mean that Dave is a dogshit reporter.

 

It just means that we would like to see some better coverage of certain people when they warrant it.

 

For folks out there who think this is only something that popped up on the Internets, or that it just some jealous crackpots obsessing about Dave: it's not. This is an old issue, and one that even his friends at times scratch their heads about.

 

John

[KrisZ]

Well the latest example of Dave trying to sugarcoat someone's stupidity is the whole Frank Mir situation saying that he wants Brock Lesnar to die in the octagon. Dave said that Mir was stupid but he was cutting a promo for entertainment purposes trying to build a match.

 

Also regarding Ryder, let us not forget when he was with WCW during the Russo era how he was all up his ass.

[kjh]

Dave Meltzer doing damage control for Dana White shouldn't come as a surprise by this point either.

[jdw]

Of course those Mike Tyson "entertainment promos" always drew.

 

 

John

[Sean Liska]

It's crazy to see how Dave and Bruce are both still living in that 1986 "us vs. them" world where Jim Crockett Promotions was the good guy and the WWF was the bad guy. All of the old biases are still there. People like Flair and Cornette are still the babyfaces (Cornette more with Dave than Bruce), and Hogan and Vince McMahon are still the heels.

 

I mean, I was a rabid ECW fan. Still am. And we're notorious for being nuts. But I don't think I view the wrestling world in the same that I did in 1995, when Bischoff and Vince were the big heels.

[Sean Liska]

Dave Meltzer doing damage control for Dana White shouldn't come as a surprise by this point either.

Dana's the one that was really pissed about the comments.

[KrisZ]

The best is listening to him tell the difference between what Mir said and what Marcus Davis said about Dan Hardy needing to die of AIDS on WOL last night.

[jdw]

*laugh*

 

John

[Loss]

Just out of curiosity, did Dave have an opinion one way or the other when Matt Hardy said in his promo that he hoped Edge would die in a car accident?

[Wahoos Leg]

With regard to his coverage by wrestling "journalists", Flair strikes me as the Babe Ruth-type of the biz--in and outside of the ring.

 

On a completely different topic...

 

Anyone else waaaaaaay behind on their New Japan set watching? I've got 13 discs to go and just found out I'll be working the equivalent of double shifts for the next 2 weeks.

[kjh]

Yeah, I'm about half way through disc 7. I'm glad I'm not the furthest one behind.

[Herodes]

I've finally watched disc 7 which followed a really slow period that I struggled to get through after Choshu and the UWF guys had left, and what remained wasn't very interesting. But it ended with a great Fujiwara/Maeda match that served as a tease of the UWF v NJPW to come which will motivate me to pick up my viewing. Overall it's been a very good set so far with some real highs and lows. Really liked the Fujinami opening section (especially the matches against Tony Rocco, Kengo Kimura, Dick Murdoch and Teranishi), hated the Tiger Mask matches which I thought were the shits aside from the Steve Wright match, but once that was out of the way (finally!) we get to the Choshu section which was really great stuff, particularly the series with Fujinami and the amazing gauntlet match. After that the set went really downhill with the highlight being the Inoki/Fujinami v Murdoch/Adonis match, although I felt some of the other North South matches dragged a bit, and there was a lot of other filler. Other highlights so far are the incredible Andre matches and Hogan/Inoki, and fun hidden gems like Lane/Takano and Don Arakawa (who?). Looking ahead I'm a lot more positive with the UWF feud and Choshu's return to come.

 

For those that have watched the set would you say the second half (86-89) is more top heavy, since it looks that way on paper anyway?

[Wahoos Leg]

TM's definitely hit or miss, but I dug his match with Hamada like a shovel.

[rovert]

From the blurb of the latest RF Video shoot with Matt Bourne:

 

Matt has tons of stories about his days on the territories. Matt tells a revealing story about doing cocaine with a booker during their first meeting. You will be shocked when you hear who the booker was. Matt also gives his thoughts and memories about working for several infamous bookers including Ole Anderson, Don Owens, and Bill Watts. Who did Matt like working for and who did he not get along with? Matt comments on things said about these men from past guests in RF Video Shoot Interviews.

Any ideas on the booker?

[Dylan Waco]

For those that have watched the set would you say the second half (86-89) is more top heavy, since it looks that way on paper anyway?

 

It's MUCH more top heavy on the back end. I'm not sure I'll have more than a handful of pre-86 matches in my top thirty.

[Phil Schneider]

Yeah 86-89 is totally killer, shorter matches too which helps. I really thought some of the North South matches dragged, but there are a ton of 7-12 minute slugfests in the last third of the set.

[Dylan Waco]

I don't know if I'll have a single North/South match in the top half of the ballot.

[rovert]

TNA Impact on 3/4 1.1 Rating

 

1.31 Hogan/Abyss/Flair/Styles talk in the ring, Bischoff comes out and tells Styles he has a match tonight, Wolfe interview backstage.

 

1.25 Bischoff and Jarrett talk backstage, Motor city machine guns vs Generation me vs Beer money vs Morgan/Hernandez, Bischoff and Morley talk backstage.

 

1.25 Hogan and Angle talk backstage, Foley in etiquette school, Morley vs Jarrett in restroom, Pope interview backstage.

 

1.22 Video clip of British Invasion saga, Williams vs Terry, Bischoff and Jarrett talk backstage, Foley in etiquette school, video clip of Anderson/Angle saga, Half of Anderson’s promo in the ring.

 

1.15 Half of Anderson’s promo in the ring with Angle coming out and gets beat down, Hogan and Abyss talk backstage, video clip of Beautiful People/Angelina Love saga and video footage of them earlier in the night beating on Love.

 

1.04 Angelina Love comes to the ring calls out Velvet Sky and Beautiful People beat down Love, Hogan and Bubba talk backstage, Foley in etiquette school, video clip of Nash/Young/Hall/Pac saga.

 

0.94 Tomko vs Jarrett, Hogan and Bischoff talk backstage, entrances of the main event.

 

0.93 Wolfe vs Pope vs Abyss vs Styles, Hogan comes to ring and bloodies Flair with barbwire bat, Hogan promotes Monday match.

Smell the momentum