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Obviously not this place but nothing irks me more than "I'm too cool to talk about wrestling on a wrestling board and if you do you're an idiot" Just ran across some of that and felt the need to post how much it still pisses me off

But that is a culture that seems to be a byproduct of Bryan and Dave's writings which has directly and indirectly placed far Pro Wrestling behind MMA and addition to caring disproportionately about buyrates and ratings over product and match quality. It isn’t entirely Dave and Bryan's fault it must be said with mainstream Wrestling being no great shakes, general fan jadedness and too much knowledge is often a bad thing as it seems to take away wonder from people. The lack of moderation historically is biting them in the ass too. The Torch doesn’t have those problems as often maligned (by me lol) as it is.

 

It must also be acknowledged is that ethic of "I'm too cool to talk about wrestling on a wrestling board and if you do you're an idiot" is a simple board in-joke too for some.

[Strummer]

True but I was mainly talking about the "OMG!! you still watch wrestling! LOLZ!" crowd that think they're above it while they are posting on a *wrestling* board

 

and then defend themselves with "this isn't really a wrestling board anymore, only the mouth breathers post there"

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True but I was mainly talking about the "OMG!! you still watch wrestling! LOLZ!" crowd that think they're above it while they are posting on a *wrestling* board

 

and then defend themselves with "this isn't really a wrestling board anymore, only the mouth breathers post there"

Again it is an ironic in joke for some

[sek69]

It may be an in joke to some, but there is a significant population on most boards that do not tolerate any talk of (modern) pro wrestling and will roundly mock anyone who shows even the slightest inclination towards it. It's like there's a competition to see who can be the most "too cool for school".

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Whats the over and under on Gabe banning them now?

 

Ring of Honor champion Tyler Black says the ROH locker room has decided to drop chair shots to the head and try to limit head shots in the ring to protect wrestlers.

 

"We pretty much decided as a consensus that we don’t want to do that, and that’s a great thing. I’m glad that WWE has decided to back to their roots with that sort of thing, because it’s really not safe and it’s causing guys’s careers to be short, and that’s not good for anybody," Black told Alfonso Castillo of Newsday in an interview promoting the Big Bang PPV on Saturday night.

 

"That’s not good for business, and that’s not good for families and friends in general. Hopefully, that becomes more of a trend and safety in the business becomes more of a trend, because I know over the last decade some of that caution has been thrown to the wind a little bit, as far as head drops and chair shots and guys taking care of each other. So hopefully we can get back to that and we can have longer, healthier careers."

 

Credit: pwtorch.com

[Dan]

I think it's just his ongoing downhill emotions towards wrestling, really. He hates TNA, barely tolerates WWE, doesn't seem to think much of the fans anymore, and seems to only keep watching out of some sense of obligation since wrestling is what put him on the map.

I wouldn't go that far. Judging from his WM star ratings, he enjoyed the show much more than me. (I was half-comatose before the main-event.) I think it's clear he likes MMA more, though.

 

I'm not kidding about the board, btw. David Hume never would have called the Crusades the "single most monumental folly in any nation or era," if he had been around to see that board.

[Dan]

It's being reported that Kanyon is dead at age 40:

 

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/12867/

 

Edit: Not to say this doesn't deserve it's own thread.

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It's being reported that Kanyon is dead at age 40:

 

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/12867/

 

Edit: Not to say this doesn't deserve it's own thread.

 

This one shocked me for a weird reason. Very likable wrestler and personality.

 

One of the guys who sued WWE over independent contractor status too.

 

RIP

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Anyone else surprised by this:

http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/a...rts_viewers.php

 

Check out the diagram

[Loss]

I wonder if this is due to demographics shifts more than anything else.

 

The viewership among African Americans and Hispanics has increased over the past few years, and they mostly identify as Democrats.

[Loss]

I feel like I should clarify that.

 

I'm not sure if viewership has increased among minorities, or if it has just dropped among whites, making African Americans and Hispanics a larger segment of the WWE audience.

[jdw]

Not terribly surprising. I think if you look at each sport, it's fairly obvious why they break the way the do. I think a good person looking deeper in the numbers (such as Nate Silver) had the full internals of the data, they'd point out the age, race, sex, income and regional area of the supporters of each sport and show how they tie in with other known data.

 

Wrestling fandom is *largely* younger people, especially relative to say Golf. Younger and likely much lower in income to golf. More mixed racially than golf as well. That all break more for Dems, and the "less likely to vote" is very telling. Older voters are more likely to vote, while younger voters are less likely to turnout (2008 election notwithstanding).

 

The only ones that are moderately surprising are Grand-Am racing (which really doesn't matter as it doesn't have a pot to piss in... unless the GOP pollster that ran this thinks Indy is Grand-Am racing, inwhich case there might be a Danica factor) and Monster trucks (don't have a clue on that one... would love to see the demo breakdowns).

 

The rest are pretty obvious things, often (like Golf) several pretty obvious things. Baseball and the NLF come so close to the middle because of the broadbase of fans across the country, and also how they drop major teams in pretty much every major population base. I suspect the only think that keeps the NFL at a +8 rather than in the Dem column is that woman viewership pales compared to male. If one were to compare the male numbers for the NFL with the national male numbers... I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL is *less* GOP than the national norm. Simply because of pulling in strong northeastern numbers, and also being urban based (Houston for example is more Dem than the rest of Texas).

 

Hence college football being so high for the GOP: Nebraska and OK and Alamaba may not have a strong NFL base, but have a huge college football base. Skews.

 

I'd quibble with the conclusion of the piece at the National Journal. I don't think they're thinking deeply enough about this. Spending the majority of your ad money if you're the GOP on things like the PGA and NCAA Football and NASCAR is preaching to the choir. It's like spending ad money on Rush's show: these folks already buy your bullshit.

 

You need several ad strategies:

 

* aimed at your base to help their turnout (fire them up)

 

* aimed at the alleged indies to either pull them over to you or turn them off the opponent and stay home

 

* aimed at the other party's voters to discourage them and keep them home

 

We're much less likely to see folks cross parties lines these days than say in 1972 or 1964. If we were, Obama would have been up over 60% of the vote when you slow down and think about it. So the GOP spending money to try to draw over Dem voters (and the opposite for the Dems trying to draw over GOP voters) is just blowing money.

 

In turn, running tons of advertising in your base isn't needed. You want to spend there enough to keep people engaged, and better still fired up. But those folks are going to vote for you anyway.

 

You're looking to spend money on the middle one.

 

When people study the "indies" deeper, the more it's seen that they aren't in the majority "indy". Most of them are "leaners" to one party. The GOP Leaning Indies frankly are GOP Voters. They're often people who've been GOP for a long time, but things in the past X years have made them less hardcore about the party. When they don't like the GOP candidate, they simply don't vote rather than vote for the Dem. It's not disimilar on the Lean Dem side of Indies, but a bit moreso on the GOP Leaners because that's where a good chunk of the increase in Indies has come from over the past 4-6 years.

 

You want to spend your money on media that has a lot of these folks: you want to give the folks who Lean Your Direction a reason to turn out. You want to give the folks who lean in the other direction a reason to stay home. You want to sway the true indies who swing from one side to the other to not only turnout, but turnout for you.

 

John

[goodhelmet]

On message board hatred toward wrestling posting...

 

This is the reason Pro Wrestling Only exists... for wrestling fans to talk about the pro wrestling. In early message boards we used to post at, we were getting that kind of resistance where wrestling would be the busiest aspect of the board but the mods/admins wanted to focus on the other folders like they were ashamed of wrestling. Tha tis the reason we don't have a politics folder, music folder, sports folder, etc.

 

Talk mother fucking wrestling to your heart's content right here.

 

Hell, I am considering dropping the dead MMA folder as it is because fuck it.. .the two aren't the same fucking thing.

[jdw]

I tend to agree with what Will says: if you want to talk about current wrestling, talk about current wrestling.

 

You have lots of options to deal with in a thread you start on it:

 

If no one responds, don't worry. You're enjoying current wrestling and posting your thoughts. Don't worry if someone else is agreeing or disagreeing. Just have at it.

 

If folks respond, ignore the negative *if* it's just busting your balls and the product. If you're tired of arguing with folks on the current product, don't shut up about it... just shut out the folks that annoy you about it.

 

If folks respond positively, there's the folks you want to talk with.

 

If you can handle the critical thinking about the product, and have some criticism of it as well, then wade into it with people you can talk to and again ignore the folks that you'd end up arguing with.

 

That's what the other thread was about: watch what you enjoy. Don't be shy about posting/writing about it. If there are folks you don't want to talk to, ignore them. If there are folks that you like talking with, do it. When they don't exactly agree with you, don't go on a bender about it: none of us agree on everything.

 

There really isn't any reason why if someone here likes Raw, SmackDown or NXT that they couldn't start a weekly thread on it. Dittos TNA, ROH, etc.

 

John

[Death From Above]

Hell I've more or less quit on wrestling (still haven't watched a minute of it since Misawa died though I've been thinking of giving some of the Mid South set another spin around because it did embody so many of the qualities about wrestling I like), but even I think the OMGWrestlingFanLOL card is about the lamest shit ever. I think a lot of it is from fans/ex-fans in my age bracket who were in high school when wrestling actually got cool for a while during the Attitude/nWo spike (which also sycnehd up with the boom of the internet into the mainstream) that wrestling isn't going to duplicate again anytime soon, and frankly a lot of them were just bandwagon jumpers of a kind that were only really willing to be fans when it was "okay" to be one. Now it's gone back to it's usual "people are aware of it but it's not anything to be proud of" status, and I think that has more to do with it than the state of the product or anything. Same people hanging around out of habit or nostalgia or whatever you want to call it.

 

I mean hell, the peak of the "cool" period produced some of the most God-awful rubbish Crash TV in wrestling history. It can't even be spun as an issue of work quality if you stop to think about it. Not even watching their current product I'm willing to bank on current WWE tv kicking a lot of the Monday Night Wars period square in the teeth if you actually want to see a decent match. Some of that "Nitro 3-hour nWo promo vs. DX saying Suck It 75 times a show" stuff was insufferably afwul in retrospect, even if it was a ratings bonanza.

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Horrible turn of luck for Cassandro

[goc]

In the cover story from the October 5, 2002 issue of the Pro Wrestling Torch Newsletter,[2] it was revealed that contestant "Lisa" was removed from the show after what was referred to as a "psychotic breakdown." After being left at the house while the other contestants went out to dinner, she began throwing herself against the walls of the house, eventually breaking into the hidden MTV control room and working her way onto the roof. After being talked down by producers, she was committed to a hospital facility to receive psychiatric treatment. Her parents flew in from New Mexico to pick her up, but she physically attacked them, claiming she did not know them. She then escaped custody inside LAX, shutting down a wing of the airport until she was located. Again, she was hospitalized, but she was able to check herself out shortly after. She then contacted Tough Enough producers, claiming she was ready to return to the show. Producers informed her she had been removed from the competition due to her actions. The other contestants (and, subsequently, the audience) were initially told that Lisa simply decided wrestling "wasn't the right career for her."

 

Lisa then reemerged in Louisville, Kentucky at the Ohio Valley Wrestling training center, claiming that trainer Al Snow and producer John "Big" Gaburik had sent her for additional training, both in the ring and to learn further about the structure of the developmental territory system. At a series of shows in California in September 2002, she managed to talk her way backstage, and was even allowed to assist with the pyrotechnics for the wrestlers' entrances at a TV taping. One source even claimed that she had a face-to-face conversation with Vince McMahon, who was apparently unaware of her status with the Tough Enough program. Soon after, her photograph was circulated to security personnel and she was barred from any backstage areas

I do not remember this story. That is an absolutely CRAZY story that she was helping with pyro and met Vince face to face. I wonder if they tightened up security at all after that. I mean it's really easy to just name drop someone now in the days of the internet.

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Never heard that before.

 

Wade referring to her as "Lisa" adds a layer of intrigue. Some needs to ask Meltzer about this.

[sek69]

Considering they set Taker on fire last month, it would appear they aren't too strict on who they let press the buttons.

 

I could almost see it now:

 

Random kid: Hey mister, can I press one of those buttons?

 

Pyro tech: Sure kid, have at it!

 

*press*

 

 

Pyro tech: Oh shi......

[Loss]

When exactly did Terry Funk leave a WWF PPV right before the show because his horse was dying? I've heard that story before, but I don't remember him really being built up for any PPV appearances before '98 as Chainsaw Charlie, and it apparently happened before that.

[Boondocks Kernoodle]

It was Survivor Series '93. He was supposed to be one of Shawn's Knights and would have his mask ripped off during the match, though I'm not sure if he would have continued as a wrestler after that. He was supposed to start up as a booker for the WWF after the PPV, but the day before he left a note for Vince saying his horse was sick and went back home.

[Bix]

Survivor Series '93. He was going to be one of the Knights and then have a booking role.

[sek69]

I can't think of any way Terry Funk would have been a fit in 1993 WWF at all, either as a wrestler or a booker.

 

It would appear that Terry came to the same conclusion as well.

[Kronos]

Is this the right match that got Nash a lot of publicity for being able to work with someone very different? Rey vs Nash, Nitro

 

I am thinking it must be because of how much offense Rey actually gets in this 4 min match: How many matches did they actually work together?

 

Anyway, I like Nash. And this one is actually a lot of fun, despite being over in a snap. . .

[Kronos]

I just have to laugh. Not only did ROH replace their serviceable but could-be-better website with a horrible one, but their forums have been down forever.

 

What are the ROHBots doing? Where are they all posting?