Loss Posted February 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I may try to verify this some time, but I'm pretty sure by this point, HHH has probably been in more pay-per-view main events than anyone in the history of pro wrestling. Below him I'm not sure, maybe Michaels. Either Flair or Michaels have probably had more pay-per-view matches (main event or otherwise) than anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Would you agree with the following: AJPW in the '90s per match was harder on a body then the WWF from the same time frame, and the WWE today? Then, WWF/WWE kills AJPW in it's overall schedule. Thanks. Could you clarify your second sentence? I'm not quite sure what it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I may try to verify this some time, but I'm pretty sure by this point, HHH has probably been in more pay-per-view main events than anyone in the history of pro wrestling. Below him I'm not sure, maybe Michaels. Either Flair or Michaels have probably had more pay-per-view matches (main event or otherwise) than anyone.I took an informal count. Hulk Hogan has a clear lead yet when you count up both his WWF and WCW PPV main events. Remember he got to headline about 80% of WCW's shows from 1994-99. The Undertaker comes in second followed by Triple H, then Austin and Michaels. I assume you wouldn't count TNA's weekly shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted February 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 How do you count Royal Rumbles? I tried doing something similar, but was unsure how to count. Specifically the '89 and '90 shows without a title match. Also, for a show like Wrestlemania XIX or Wrestlemania XX, with so many big matches and no clear main event, who gets credit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest STAN Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I may try to verify this some time, but I'm pretty sure by this point, HHH has probably been in more pay-per-view main events than anyone in the history of pro wrestling. Below him I'm not sure, maybe Michaels. Either Flair or Michaels have probably had more pay-per-view matches (main event or otherwise) than anyone.I just counted them up using Wikipedia(using the last match on the card only, and this is WWE only obviously). HHH has 43 and Michaels has 41. Yes, I'm white and nerdy. Of course like I said this is just if they're wrestling in the last match on the card, without any other factors coming into play. Also Michaels has ~85 WWE PPV's total. Too lazy to count up Undertaker and HHH, but they're most probably the others in the top 3. Undertaker is definitely #1 with well over 100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 How do you count Royal Rumbles? I tried doing something similar, but was unsure how to count. Specifically the '89 and '90 shows without a title match. Also, for a show like Wrestlemania XIX or Wrestlemania XX, with so many big matches and no clear main event, who gets credit? My instinct is last match on the card, unless it is blatantly obvious. Otherwise it takes a great deal of time to try and figure out who gets credit for what. It's sloppy but at least it is objective. For the Royal Rumbles, I think the easiest thing is to count the winner. Your other option is to give each wrestler credit, but that gives an unfair advantage to Shawn Michaels for appearing twice as a Rocker, Bret Hart as a tag wrestler, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Evil Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Would you agree with the following: AJPW in the '90s per match was harder on a body then the WWF from the same time frame, and the WWE today? Then, WWF/WWE kills AJPW in it's overall schedule. Thanks. Yes, it was harder on a body per match. The WWF guys would've been ever more crippled if they copied the AJPW style. They train the wrestlers bodies to take punishment better in Japan. For example if Misawa only wrestled the WWF/WWE, he would last longer than your average wrestler here if they both did the exact same thing. When I think about it, Stampede with its tough schedule and very, very rough style around the Dynamite Kid era may have been the toughest go at it ever. But you when factor in the schedule and compare AJPW to WWF and what's harder on the body? Who knows as the schedule thing is a tough variable to consider. The WWF schedule would really, really screw your body up. I don't talk much about AJW anymore because I don't like the thought of girls possibly wrestling pregnant. However, AJW fits this discussion well. When you look back at the 90s they had the tough schedule AND the rough, stiff, painfull submissions, hard hitting style. So I would say they and Stampede are definitely on the top of the list for leagues that were toughest on the body. The WWE diva's bodies probably wouldn't last in that climate. There's something to be learned about this. Not only do I think Japan conditioned their wrestlers better I think they picked out ones that would survive better as well. Look at Manami Toyota. How many wrestlers have had a harder go at it than her? How her body is still going is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I dunno, would AJPW house shows with non-epic 6 man tags really be harder on the body than a house show match would be for a WWE heel who's constantly bumping to feed a babyface comeback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 In "PPV Main Events", one needs to take some care in assigning main events and double main events properly. Hogan vs. Rock was the main event of a Mania. Trip vs. Jericho was not. It wasn't even part of a double main event. It's the same thing with Budokan and Dome. Jumbo & Taue vs. Misawa & Kawada was the "semi" in 1991, while Hansen & Spivey vs. Gordy & Williams went on last. One could generously call it a double main. If you wanted to be more accurate, the natives were the main. The gaijin went on last because that's how Baba booked the outcome of the League. JOhn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 John, I've seen you mention elsewhere that the Japanese wrestlers prepared better for the punishment. How did they do it? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest *FH* Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 <-------------Ritual ball washing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 http://www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/ http://www.wwe.com/inside/industrynews/6544892 (This falls under "WTF??" but the first link is a new "industry news" section, where the WWE is taking stories from other news sources, whether it be Business Wire or friggin' WrestleZone. The second link, even more baffling, is a WrestleZone story showing TNA's March Schedule, including Lockdown.) Hopefully most see this before it gets deleted (that is, if it isn't supposed to be on there; if it is, that's odd shit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Dammit Marty, I was just coming here to post that. Real WTF material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Am I cynical or does it seem like Jake Roberts went to WWE sponsored rehab because they're going to induct him in the HOF and don't want it to be another Heroes of Wrestling moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Am I cynical or does it seem like Jake Roberts went to WWE sponsored rehab because they're going to induct him in the HOF and don't want it to be another Heroes of Wrestling moment?Have you seen his "Pick Your Poison" DVD? The last couple of minutes is basically him begging the WWE for a job, and them talking about how his demons have ruined his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO1 Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Stale, some more Lawler/Dundee questions on my part. The tag portion of the 1986 feud ends with a April 7 "No DQ Cage Match" for the Southern Title, and the whole feud for it's 1986 portion ends with a July 14 Loser Leaves Town match. The LLT match was preceeded by a MSC match of theirs a week before for the International Title where Larry Sharpe is involved that from highlights(albeit, really short ones) didn't seem to be the best they can bring. Now my question is, do the Cage Match and LLT exist on tape, and if someone has seen them, some opinions would be really nice too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 John, I've seen you mention elsewhere that the Japanese wrestlers prepared better for the punishment. How did they do it? Just curious. I don't recall saying this. Can you point me to a post or something so I can see what was said? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Both are on tape but heavily clipped. The cage match shows 3-4 minutes of highlights (lots of Dundee highspots off of the cage) and the LLT is the last couple of minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 The full LLT (minus 1 commercial break, aired a few weeks later on the WMC show) exists, I should be getting it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BO1 Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 That's wonderful news Bix, please post opinions on it once you give it a viewing. Tim, how does the Cage Match look highspot-based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Cooke Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Looks amazing but it is just too clipped up to really know. Makes an awesome highlight package though. And I need that LLT match as soon as you get it Bix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 So I found an ECW match going through my DVDs that confused the hell out of me. Shane Douglas, being managed by Sherri Martel, scheduled to wrestle Steve Austin. Brian Pillman, in full Hollywood Blondes gear, takes his place. I can not figure out a timeline here at all. Anyone able to help me out? Was this before or after Sherri went to WCW, and how did ECW get Pillman and/or Austin at that point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 So I found an ECW match going through my DVDs that confused the hell out of me. Shane Douglas, being managed by Sherri Martel, scheduled to wrestle Steve Austin. Brian Pillman, in full Hollywood Blondes gear, takes his place. I can not figure out a timeline here at all. Anyone able to help me out? Was this before or after Sherri went to WCW, and how did ECW get Pillman and/or Austin at that point? Probably late 1994. WCW lent ECW a boatload of talent at this time. Cactus Jack, Bobby Eaton, Arn Anderson, Brian Pillman among others all wrestled in WCW in '94. You will remember the big controversy when Cactus Jack spit on the WCW tag belt after losing to Sabu. At November to Remember '94, Douglas gave an interview stating Austin would come in to team with him against Ron Simmons and 2 Cold Scorpio. For some reason (possibly injuries?), Austin never came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 From reading a bunch of RSPW posts from late '94 apparently the scheduled Austin appearance was due to some legal action over WCW using the "When Worlds Collide" name for the AAA pay-per-view when ECW had used the name for a show months earlier. Of course, that doesn't explain why the ECW When Worlds Collide show itself featured Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 John, I've seen you mention elsewhere that the Japanese wrestlers prepared better for the punishment. How did they do it? Just curious. I don't recall saying this. Can you point me to a post or something so I can see what was said? John I went back and read the thread I was thinking of, and that's not what you were saying. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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