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[Bix]

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/h...t.asp?aID=22708

 

--Today is the 6th anniversary of the death of Lou Thesz and third anniversary of the death of Chris Candido. That reminds me of a funny story Chris told me shortly after he won the NWA title and somehow he came across Thesz and noted to Thesz that he was the NWA champion. Thesz then told him that he'd better keep his guard up for double-crosses in the ring and people wanting to steal the belt from him. Lou didn't realize just how much things had changed.

[S.L.L.]

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/h...t.asp?aID=22708

 

--Today is the 6th anniversary of the death of Lou Thesz and third anniversary of the death of Chris Candido. That reminds me of a funny story Chris told me shortly after he won the NWA title and somehow he came across Thesz and noted to Thesz that he was the NWA champion. Thesz then told him that he'd better keep his guard up for double-crosses in the ring and people wanting to steal the belt from him. Lou didn't realize just how much things had changed.

 

"Oooooooooooooh, the more things change, the more things stay the same, ha ha!"

[Resident Evil]

Some of it, yeah. I'm not a fan of word filters, or closing threads, or moderators fucking around with the members in general. But there's enough worthwhile there that I still go there, even if I might occasionally bitch about it afterwards. (I gotta remember, never go in the Current Events folder.)

Eh, I never noticed the mods screwing around with people though I admit I don't pay attention to that kind of stuff. I'll take your word for it. RRR getting banned was BS. He easily would've been one of the best posters on the board and they just banned him for really no reason. Perhaps they have different mods now?

 

 

The word filters thing is awesome. I don't know why they filtered product but I absolutely love what they filtered the word "gay" to. Let's just hope other mods on other boards pick up on the trend. Gamefaqs would probably be a good spot to do this. If I were to ever be granted 3 wishes from a genie, I'd have everyone in real life who ever uses this word filtered out to say "manly beyond my manliest expectations". Especially the younger generation playing first person shooters online.

 

I would also really like a filter for the word MOOVEZZ! Maybe if I asked nicely?

[Jingus]

I just don't like moderators stepping in unless they absolutely have to, and I've got a pretty narrow definition of "have to". As for the word filters, I've never seen the point. They're kinda amusing the first time you stumble across them, but by the hundredth time you innocently type the word "product" in any context and get the nonsensical "stuffing instead of potatoes", you just feel like giving someone a lariatooo.

 

Sounds pretty two faced.

How? Exactly?

[Loss]

If I were to ever be granted 3 wishes from a genie, I'd have everyone in real life who ever uses this word filtered out to say "manly beyond my manliest expectations".

Do you realize how much confusion that would have caused me at Thanksgiving?

[sek69]

That was the best ending to a RAW in a long time. I look forward to the new era of Regal going on rampages and bloodying faces.

[Tim Evans]

I just don't like moderators stepping in unless they absolutely have to, and I've got a pretty narrow definition of "have to

Well that explains why the Pit is what it is.

 

Raw was great tonight. I hope they push Regal to the moon because he's incredible.

[Guest DietSoda]

The folks of PWInsider reported that the Raw conclusion last night was complete rubbish.

[JHawk]

In response to last night's Raw and comments I've seen on other boards about "when Nitro did it to Hogan-Sting everybody complained":

 

Last night, they ran an angle justifying why they went off the air without a finish (Regal in the truck demanding they go to black).

 

When Nitro did it, they just went off the air in mid-match despite at times running nearly 30 minutes long to do an interview segment. No angle, just "we're out of time".

 

Much like the Horsemen attacks Dusty Rhodes in a parking lot ("we're paying you, you just run that camera"), sometimes all you need is a reason for what you're doing.

 

The reason backstage bits usually fail is the fact that there's never an explanation for the camera being there. This worked because they established a reason for it.

[Tim Evans]

Alright what is going on with WWE? First the whole ending to Raw and now Mike Adamle and Tazz leave the commentary booth before the main event? Whoever is booking now is doing a great job.

[Loss]

I know Dave has dropped a few times over the past couple of months that they don't like that people are becoming able to call all of their finishes accurately, so I think maybe they're just attempting to make things more unpredictable.

[sek69]

Of course they don't actually change the finishes, they just have stuff happen around them so you don't notice as much.

[Loss]

Funny.

 

A guest reviewer from SK's blog:

 

Match #3: NWA Championship Steel Cage Match

 

© Ric Flair vs. Kerry Von Erich

 

12/25/82 WCCW Star Wars of Wrestling

 

This is more like it. Big props to the DVD guys for actually… you know… putting the date on the match. Kerry was allegedly high as a kite during this match. He sure looks like it. Michael Hayes is the special shirtless referee, but there is also a normal referee too. Yeah, so the ring won’t be crowded or anything. Terry Gordy is also the gatekeeper. My screwjob sense is tingling. Circle and Flair quickly begs for mercy before Kerry even locks up with him. Lockup but Kerry gets a single-leg takedown and elbows away at the knees. Camera shows girls screaming for Kerry instead. Ric tries to get to his feet but Kerry takes him down again with some elbows to the leg and a leglock. Ric tries to turn it into a chinlock so Kerry squeezes his leglock in tighter. Flair ends up with a wristlock but Kerry fires off a dropkick, which Flair bounces for like a pinball. Kerry slugs away in a corner, but Flair spins him around for some chops. Kerry comes back and slugs it out, leading to Flair flopping. Flair goes lowish with some some kneelifts. Into the corner for some chopping. Snapmare and a kneedrop by Flair. Hard chop by Flair, then he stops a Kerry comeback with some more chopping. Flair slugs it out on the ropes, but Michael Hayes lets him know to knock it off. What the fudge? It’s a NO DQ cage match! Kerry is free to comeback and smacks Flair around. Hayes then breaks Kerry off of Flair. Chops by Flair and a suplex doesn’t work as Kerry flips out of it and grabs a sleeperhold. Flair hits a backdrop suplex to escape it. Kerry gets to his feet first and climbs the ropes to drop a knee on Flair’s face. Slugout by Kerry on the mat and he goes for the claw. Flair shoots Kerry off the ropes and hits a backelbow. The announcer calls this a ‘knee across the throat.’ What match is he watching? Snake Eyes by Flair and the refs are pissed at him. Flair ties Kerry into the ropes and both refs go and pull Flair off, which is a cue for Kerry to try and fight back. Flair doesn’t allow it and snapmares Kerry over and drops an elbow for two. Kerry slugs it out and avoids a shoot off by getting an abdominal stretch. Flair hiptosses out of it but misses an elbow. Slam into the cage by Kerry, then another, and you can see Flair blade. Kerry rakes Flair into the cage a couple times. Hard ram into another side of the cage and the schoolgirls in the audience are going nuts. I know because they show closeups of a bunch of them. Kerry goes for the claw but Flair knees out of it. Flair starts to work the knee but Michael Hayes pulls him off. The normal ref is getting pissed at Hayes. Flair tries to attack but Hayes keeps preventing him. Match is a lot shittier then it ought to be thanks to this stupid booking idea. Kerry starts to fight back while Hayes seems to be fighting Flair too. Flair goes for the Figure-Four a couple times but Kerry kicks out of it. Kerry slugs it out and slams Flair hard into the cage again. Nobody takes a face-first cage bump like Flair. He always has a great expression on his face. Kerry goes for a kneedrop but misses and gets injured. Flair smells blood and chops away, then slaps on the figure-four. Kerry struggles like crazy to escape it, which is how this hold should be sold, and ends up with a couple two counts. Kerry ends up rolling it over and now Flair is on defense. And man, does Flair sell it like death. Kerry chooses not to sell his own injury and instead strikes at Flair. Ric tries to escape the cage only for Kerry to expose his bareass and punch him down off the ropes. More hard shots into the cage by Kerry, more raking on the cage, and more punching. Flair rakes the eyes and goes for a knee off the top but Kerry catches him with the iron claw. Flair’s leg lightly taps the rope and Hayes calls for a breakup. The normal ref says "no it doesn’t." Hayes ends up tearing Von Erich off of Flair, to huge jeers from the crowd. It’s a heel turn for Michael Hayes, and he didn’t even have to compare his level of blackness to get it! Flair hits a that I think was meant for a ref bump but nothing happens. The cage door is now open and Flair chokes blatantly at Kerry. Hayes yanks Flair off, but Ric doesn’t want to hear it, so Hayes punches Flair down. Hayes then tells Kerry to cover him for the title. But Kerry is a true warrior and chooses not to make the pin. Hayes grabs him and throws him on top of Flair to make the pin, but Kerry won’t have any of that. Terry Gordy opens the door and Hayes decides to leave. Flair with a flying knee into Kerry’s back that hits Hayes as well. Hayes thinks Kerry attacked him, so Terry Gordy slams the cage door into Kerry and Flair ends up covering him. Hayes wipes out the original ref and counts Von Erich down for two, which extends to three even though Kerry is sitting up. However, original ref says it doesn’t count. The ref tosses Hayes and Gordy while Flair slugs away on Kerry. Snapmare by Flair for two, then two again. Slam into the cage by Flair. Mounted punches by Flair. Kerry fights back and we’re at a slugoff. Discus Punch by Kerry knocks Flair down. Kerry then collapses in what looks to be a double KO spot, but the ref calls Kerry knocked-out and awards the match to Ric Flair it what might be the worst ending I’ve ever seen to a wrestling match. Man, that tends to happen a lot in Kerry’s matches. Fans are super pissed at that one. You can hear some chick scream "That’s fucking bullshit!"

 

*1/2 Everything Kerry and Ric did here was undermined by horrible booking.

I think the match is a little overrated because of the historical impact, but criticizing the booking, considering the boom it created? Really?

[Marty]

I saw that earlier too.

 

I think the guy did a good job reviewing the documentary and capturing the uneasy feeling one can have watching it.

 

But he clearly graduated out of The Scott Keith School of Reviewing Matches, in that any match designed to get a "Bullshit!" reaction is a bad match to these guys. Also, he gives the typical Scott-esque opinion of Michael Hayes all throughout the review.

 

Of course, the guy's philosophy on reviewing matches is "you can only be as good as the subject matter. Except for Scott, who can rant for hours about the 1994 Royal Rumble Casket Match."

[MikeCampbell]

Even scarier is that everyone is commenting on how good his review was.

[Loss]

There's just this weird, over-generalizing idea I've seen a lot of the past few years where it's *always* a bad idea to not do a clean finish. I agree that doing too many screwjobs is bad, and I agree that the blowoffs should always have a winner and loser, but DQs, countouts, and run-ins do serve a purpose and make sense in some cases.

 

The Flair/Kerry review really felt like a kneejerk interference-is-always-bad reaction.

[Tim Cooke]

Scott Keith is a HUGE leader in the "if it isn't a clean pin or submission, it sucks." That has transferred over to ROH fans.

[Tim Evans]

Wow I didn't think WWE would bring up the DUI but the way Piper said it made it funny.

[Strummer]

It's always funny after RAW on Mondays to go to TSM where the world is over and RAW is never good and then go to DVDVR where the same exact show is praised and people are so excited about the product.

 

The truth is obviously in the middle of those two extremes but that's not the way the net works

[Kronos]

Raw was great tonight. I hope they push Regal to the moon because he's incredible.

I have to agree that Regal has always been someone I have enjoyed. I love it when he gets lots of exposure.

[S.L.L.]

Internet PM Theater, starring Benbeeach (a cool guy who may o may not post here, I forget) and multi-time WON Booker of the Year winner Gabe Sapolsky:

 

[Bix]

Wow, usually it takes a lot more for than that for me to get "FUCK YOU" PMs from Gabe.

[MikeCampbell]

Wow, usually it takes a lot more for than that for me to get "FUCK YOU" PMs from Gabe.

All I've ever gotten are whiny/snotty e-mails from him and banned from the board for not orgasming at the thought of Misawa in ROH.

[Kronos]

More Regal! "God Save the Queen" -- LOL. What a masterful opening. I, too, am digging on RAW lately. Not only is the Regal thing rocking, but there's also the feud b/t the new mouth (Santino) vs the old mouth (Piper).

 

And JR's face last week when Regal replaced him with Adamle. Genius.

[Bob Morris]

There's just this weird, over-generalizing idea I've seen a lot of the past few years where it's *always* a bad idea to not do a clean finish. I agree that doing too many screwjobs is bad, and I agree that the blowoffs should always have a winner and loser, but DQs, countouts, and run-ins do serve a purpose and make sense in some cases.

 

The Flair/Kerry review really felt like a kneejerk interference-is-always-bad reaction.

You can likely trace this mindset back to several things during the Monday Night Wars era:

 

1. The fact that you had Nitros (EDIT: and Raws as well) in which the main event was often ending with a run-in without somebody getting the decisive win.

2. The fact that the weekly shows and PPVs tended to have many matches ending with a run-in, or more than one run-in, whether it lead to a pinfall, submission or screwjob ending (or in other words, they became excessive).

3. The fact some fans always suspected that, if a screwjob ending was used, it was always because somebody didn't want to do the job.

 

I've seen a few people who have a similar mindset toward a heel using the ropes or pulling the tights to get a pinfall, complaining it's not a "clean ending" when part of what makes a heel a heel is that he tends to cheat to win.

 

Of course, I think some of these same fans would put over certain memorable moments from that era as being great, despite the fact they usually involved run-ins and an ending that was far from being clean.