Boondocks Kernoodle Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I just heard on Observer Radio that they are doing a Rise and Fall of WCW DVD. I'm sure it'll be fair and evenhanded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I just heard on Observer Radio that they are doing a Rise and Fall of WCW DVD. I'm sure it'll be fair and evenhanded! It's one that certainly can be. WCW did so many stupid things in it's time that the story sort of writes itself, from a WWE-produced DVD perspective at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I would like to see something that focuses more on early 90s WCW. And please, no Flair-Steamboat matches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I would like to see something that focuses more on early 90s WCW. And please, no Flair-Steamboat matches! Â Ditto. There's things from that era that the WWE has either barely touched on, or hasn't touched at all (Dangerous Alliance, Sid-Vader series, early Light Heavyweight division, WarGames 92, etc.). Â WWE being WWE, that'll be glossed over (aside from things that've already been mentioned many times like Flair-Herd) and most stuff will be focused on things they've hammered home already (nWo, young guys in WCW being held down, young guys jumping ship, Russo, etc.). Â Hope I'm pleasantly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 People in general seem to ignore WCW's existence after 1989 and before 1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I was leafing through the "History of Wrestlemania" magazine at the grocery store. It's funny when they have to ignore Benoit's existence while at the same time recognize the matches he took part in. Like in the results for WMXX:  ... Eddie Guerrero defeated Kurt Angle to retain the WWE Championship The Undertaker defeated Kane Triple H lost the World Heavyweight Championship; Triple Threat Match  Or "Kurt Angle wasn't pinned, but lost both the Intercontinental and European championships in a triple threat match." Just don't list the match, for cryin' out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I fear the WCW dvd will be nWo centric. The tv shows from the Attitude era are so horribly dull to re-watch, I don't know why it's so popular. Â I don't know what positives you can take from WCW after 1998 or so, except the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Don't forget that on the now-defunct WWE Confidential, they blamed the downfall of WCW on 1) DX invading the Norfolk Scope and 2) Paying Bret Hart $3 million per year even though he never drew 100,000 people to Budokan Hall like Hulk Hogan did. The bullshit in this thing will be HILARIOUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Evil Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Man, I still laugh at how bad and pathetic that confidential piece was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 JR said in his blog that we was flying into Stamford to do a long interview on WCW, so that makes sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 I have to wonder why even bother with a rise and fall type DVD on WCW. It's not like it was a small promotion that only part of the country got to witness at its peak, and as stated before it's not likely to contain anything not already discussed ad nauseum on previous releases where they run through the standard WCW Talking Points. Â Â I guess it would make good drinking game fodder, take a shot each time a former WCW employee now working for WWE makes a cheap shot comment, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Why are you guys assuming that it will be such a hack job? They've already done DVDs for every other major promotion whose footage they own, and the AWA, World Class, and ECW retrospectives were all more evenhanded than anyone really expected. They still had their share of biases and dirt swept under the rug, of course, but it's not like they were just one-sided hit pieces. The guys who make the DVDs do tend to be the most fair-minded employees in all of Stamford, people who actually pay attention to history. The only times they ever totally buried anyone were with Ultimate Warrior and Paul Roma, and really, can you blame 'em for those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Because WCW was the only one to ever beat them at their own game, even if it was only for a brief period of time. Â Â Also Vince's obsession with Billionaire Ted. Â Â Also also WCW has never been discussed in any sort of positive light by anyone on WWE programming except for when Bischoff was on the Monday Night Wars show on 24/7 and he was obviously put there to be everyone's pinata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 People in general seem to ignore WCW's existence after 1989 and before 1994. I think it's because it was just a nothing happening time for WCW. Reading the old 1991/1992 Observers on the F4W site, it sounds like there's great wrestling up and down the card, but nothing particularly interesting is happening, other than periods like the Dangerous Alliance takeover. Plus, at least for WWE purposes, Flair was out of WCW for most of that time and the top star is Sting, whom they have never had under contract and is currently a top star in TNA, so they probably want to avoid spotlighting a guy who was never a WWE-made star. I think internet fans who remember that time and have watched the tapes have a fondness for the era, but as far as mass-marketing anything that happened from that era, it's pretty light. Same would hold true for most WWF stuff from that period too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Wow, are people overreacting to Koko B. Ware going in the WWE Hall of Fame. How many times has it been in the WON that the company sees the HOF as nothing more than a marketing tool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 People are overreacting, but it goes to show how they're dipping into the lower rungs to fill out the HOF roster. Is Ware the least-accomplished HOF inductee ever or is that Johnny Rodz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Well he's not as bad as James Dudley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I'd rate Ware over Rodz. I think Ware was during his UWF stint a pretty valuable guy. Heck, that's probably the only reason he was signed as he really didn't fit the mold of what Vince wanted. Rodz on the other hand was only valuable as a policeman and trainer, I don't think his CA stints can be compared with Ware. There are quite a number of guys who had reasonable success at the west coast post-1970 whose accomplishments are pretty much forgotten so he's not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 1. 1990-94 may have been a "nothing" time in WCW, but I sure as hell loved it. Those Clash of the Champions from those years are my favorite dvd's to rewatch over and over. Â 2. If we're gonna talk about the WWE HOF as something more than a fun show...Koko's Memphis work alone puts him in any Wrestling Hall of Fame as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 It's been talked about, I had remembered it, and now here it is. I know it was brought up in a racist moments thread. Â "Rudy Diamond Has White Feet" Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Really, is Koko that much worse a HOF candidate than Nikolai Volkoff, Bob Orton Jr, Tony Atlas, Blackjack Lanza, Mr Fuji, Rocky Johnson and Mae Young? At least Koko in his prime was an awesome worker, unlike many other lower rung HOF candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 I think part of it is how unusually strong the rest of this year's inductees are. Ricky Steamboat, Bill Watts, both Funk brothers, and Stone Cold. Kinda makes Koko look like small change getting rained on with his own 38. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Really, is Koko that much worse a HOF candidate than Nikolai Volkoff, Bob Orton Jr, Tony Atlas, Blackjack Lanza, Mr Fuji, Rocky Johnson and Mae Young? At least Koko in his prime was an awesome worker, unlike many other lower rung HOF candidates. Mr. Fuji held the WWF Tag Team Title more than any other wrestler in history, and followed that up with a ten year career managing. He'd be iffy for a real Hall of Fame, but for WWE he's a lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Everyone realized pretty fast this was the spot WWE were putting themselves in right from the time they launched this thing, if they intended to carry on with it long-term. They simply induct too many people at a time and espeically since certain "makes sense but have the baggage" candidates like Bruno and Savage aren't in yet, it was kind of inevitable it would stretch out this thin. Â But it's a fake hall of fame for a fake sport, so my panties aren't in a knot over it. If they want to induct the dude with the parrot that's cool by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted March 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Beyond that, it's been reported many, many times that WWE only restarted the Hall of Fame to help with the marketing of DVDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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