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It seems as though the majority doesn't enjoy Todd Martin Raw recaps. As a respected board leader I have to ask Todd Martin to kindly resign from Raw recapping. I understand the backlash from the top that this will cause but we cannot continue to push friends before content.

Bryan Alvarez

So a guy starts the 50th Todd Martin thread in 24 hours and thinks it will help get Todd fired. If anything, all this attention solidifies his employment.

toddmartin

 

Whew. I can sleep easier tonight.

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I just dont know where to begin with this one guys:

http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/13764/

Jesus christ... Brand Split.

 

What they really need to do *when they can* is merge the WEC into the UFC brand. I know there are some issues there with Spike's exclusive deal, but down the road they can work those things out. We watched the WEC PPV on Friday, followed by Machida-Rua on Saturday... and you really feel for the WEC guys who have been busting their asses as "stars" in a minor promotion when guys like the now past-it Faber should have been making as much, if not more, than BJ over the past 3-4 years. It would greatly enhance the UFC PPV's (and frankly non-PPV TV Cards) to be able use those lower weight classes to broaden the talent pool. It also would help with the injury bug that always risks screwing up shows and leaving you with tougher to sell card: you have greater depth to be able to dip into and push matches up and around to cover.

 

The UFC brand is quite strong. You don't want to water it down by splitting off a chunk of the talent. You want to continue to build it up. While it might be bad for the "sport" to have most people thinking UFC=MMA, it's obviously good for the UFC. When people think of pro football, they think of the NFL which puts any rival in the hole of having to climb and Everest of a mountain in the minds of football fans in this country. No impossible, but extremely hard.

 

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Oh, Todd

 

Final Thoughts:

 

I liked most of this show. It was entertaining and I enjoyed most of the undercard programs they were setting up. But the main direction of this show is such a confusing mess.

 

Let’s go through the storyline “progression.” Four weeks ago, Bret Hart was named GM. The NXT guys were feuding with each other. Three weeks ago, Vince McMahon came on Raw to point out he hired Bret as GM and implied he had some sort of plan for Bret.

 

Two weeks ago, the NXT guys joined together to attack WWE personnel. Last week, Wade Barrett explained they were angry about their treatment by WWE management and wanted WWE contracts and better treatment. Bret refused and fired Barrett, so they attacked Bret in a car and demanded his response on Sunday.

 

Sunday Bret doesn’t show up and the NXT guys attack again. Monday Vince fires Bret for firing Barrett and letting the NXT guys mess with the show again. The NXT guys are hired by Vince’s anonymous new GM. Vince later announces he was behind the NXT actions and then the NXT guys turn on him.

 

Maybe WWE has some really good explanation for all these events. But if they do, it’s well over my head. This all makes no sense to me.

 

If the NXT guys were conspiring together from the beginning, why were they arguing, bickering and ridiculing each other every week on the show?

 

Why would the NXT guys attack Raw to get WWE contracts if Vince McMahon was behind them in the first place and could have just given them contracts from the beginning?

 

Why would Vince McMahon order the NXT guys to attack his own announcers and security? Does he hate Justin Roberts?

 

Why did Vince McMahon make Bret Hart the general manager and give him control for a few weeks rather than just having his guys just attack him in the first place?

 

Why would Vince fire Bret Hart for letting the NXT guys run wild if that’s what he wanted in the first place?

 

If Vince was the NXT benefactor and all they wanted was WWE contracts, why would they attack Vince and jeopardize those contracts?

 

It doesn’t come across like WWE is telling a story with a beginning, a middle and an end. It comes across like they’re just making everything up as they go, devising a “surprising” scenario each week and then trying to connect it as best as they can to what happened before. That’s not how you effectively book a wrestling show. That’s not how you effectively write television. That’s not how you effectively tell any sort of story. It’s crappy writing predicated on the audience being too stupid to notice or too accustomed to no logic in wrestling to care.

 

People seem to really want this NXT thing to work because it’s different and they want to like the current product. But I’m sorry, shoddy writing is shoddy writing, and drastically lowering our standards for wrestling as compared to any other form of entertainment isn’t the answer.

 

I’m so beaten down by this stuff.

Oh, his burden.

 

I'll just say this. TONIGHT Wade Barrett said that they all had agreed backstage before NXT started that they'd stick together in the end, and would "have fun" doing the show. As far as his bewilderment re: Bret Hart and Vince and the NXT guys...Vince was using the NXT chaos as an excuse to fire Bret Hart for bullshit reasons, as mentioned by Tyson Kidd. Also, Vince never said he was behind anything. It came off to me that he played up to them trying to kiss their asses by being "one of the guys" hoping they'd realize that it'd be smart to accept his BS cause he's the boss. OR Vince was fooled into thinking he was in charge of this but he was outplayed. As far as IF Vince was behind it , "why would he let them attack two weeks in a row"..chalk it up to Vince wanting to see "ruthless aggression". OR The NXT guys USED Vince to get what they wanted and as soon as they did, they laid him out, too.

 

This isn't that hard.

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It doesn’t come across like WWE is telling a story with a beginning, a middle and an end. It comes across like they’re just making everything up as they go, devising a “surprising” scenario each week and then trying to connect it as best as they can to what happened before. That’s not how you effectively book a wrestling show. That’s not how you effectively write television. That’s not how you effectively tell any sort of story. It’s crappy writing predicated on the audience being too stupid to notice or too accustomed to no logic in wrestling to care.

Todd must have slept through the entire Monday Night Wars boom period where the WWF and WCW booked exactly like that and it was very effective before the people in charge got burnt out, lost their minds and let their egos get in the way of business. The point being is that you can book week to week and make it work.

 

But I’m sorry, shoddy writing is shoddy writing, and drastically lowering our standards for wrestling as compared to any other form of entertainment isn’t the answer.

:lol: This might be one of the silliest lines Todd's ever written and that covers a lot of ground. I mean Larry Miller gets pro wrestling better than Todd does. Pro wrestling is junk food entertainment. Todd's argument here is the equivalent of going to McDonald's and complaining that their burgers aren't made from the finest cuts of veal.

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Tim Joyce thinks the NXT angle does make sense, disagrees with Todd Martin

I'm normally a fan of Todd's work, but his analysis of the NXT angle is fundamentally flawed. While the story has taken some unexpected detours and twists (and undoubtedly should have unfolded over a longer length of time), Vince as the mastermind and the subsequent beatdown made perfect sense within the context of what has played out on-screen over the last few months:

 

 

- Todd assumes that the NXT rookies hated each other from the start, and thus their alliance on RAW makes no sense. However, during Season One there was no indication that the rookies hated each other...until WWE started having them cut promos on one another and put them on the spot by demanding that they decide which one of the eight should be eliminated every week. By the end, it's clear that they did hate each other, but only because of the manipulation of the company. While there was probably a sense of competition within the group before the show premiered, it's not inconceivable that there was some sort of pact made before the rigors of the competition took their toll.

 

 

- In the meantime, Vince is feuding with Bret Hart for months and comes out on the losing end when his master plan for revenge fails at Wrestlemania. Is it really inconceivable that Vince then concocted this convoluted plan to discredit and humiliate Bret on a worldwide stage? He made it clear in the promo he cut the night Bret debuted as the new GM that something bad was coming The Hitman's way, and soon. So he used the angry NXT castoffs and Barrett to do his dirty work, figuring that he could use their youth and inexperience to manipulate them into being his puppets. Why would he want them to destory RAW? So Bret would look weak and ineffective as the Raw GM and thus Vince would have the pleasure of finally being able to "fire" him. And yes, that is completely insane, but so is Vince and he has shown time and again that he will go to any lengths to gain the upper hand. And it also explains why they never attacked Smackdown.

 

 

- And the NXT guys subsequently turning on Vince was the right call. They've said time and again that their main beef is with the company itself, and Vince is likely the one who made their experience on NXT so miserable in the first place. Now, most people would probably be wary of trusting eight angry young men whom they've spent the last few months humiliating on worldwide television, but as noted Vince is insane and arrogant and was focused solely on his hatred for Bret. So much so, in fact, that he undoubtedly gave the rookies exactly what they wanted in their contracts in exchange for their help. Therefore, they had no worries about getting fired when they attacked Vince last night after getting what they wanted all along. This might be spelled out in detail next week, but does it really HAVE to be? Isn't it pretty obvious?

 

 

This is actually one of the better stories WWE has told in the last few years, and I think it's fairly easy to follow the progression of the angle if you pay attention to what has been said on-screen and use logic to fill in the blanks. It is by no means a perfect angle, but I'd rather watch this every week over yet another Orton/Cena/Edge/HHH rehash. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, but claiming that the angle is completely nonsensical is a little silly.

 

 

Guy Incognito aka TV's Tim

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SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

LINKING MY TV REPORTS IS OK(ANYTHING ELSE IS PROHIBTED): I don't mind anyone linking my tv reports to your website(as long as I get full credit)... Material can not be rewritten, retyped, copied & pasted without the written consent of George Wren(once again linking my tv reports to your website is ok anything else is not prohibted).. Those caught using my material besides linking it legal action will be taken to the full extent.

 

George is a former pro wrestling photographer/associate editor for the defunct New Wave Wrestling Publication... George quit the wrestling business in 2003 and has no desire to get back into it.

 

George has also been a correspondent for The Wrestling Observer and The Pro Wrestling Torch in the past, and will be a weekly correspondent from now on for The Wrestling Observer (www.wrestlingobserver.com) and Rasslin Riot (www.rasslinriotonline.com ) with Jerry Lawler's Memphis Championship Wrestling and IWA tv reports.

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Damage control for this week and next week.

 

--A note regarding the Fedor Emelianenko loss last night. The loss does hurt Emelianenko and M-1's leverage bit time in negotiating a new deal when their current contract expires but as far as impact on the sport or proof of anything as to where people rank, all it showed was last night Werdum was the better man, or perhaps the luckier man.

 

Regarding it saying anything significant about where Emelianenko stands, the lesson of fighting MMA style is that anyone can win, and people overstate to the greatest degree some sort of finality of proof when one guy beats another. Fedor was caught. It happens to everyone. He made a mental lapse, which also happens to everyone. He could have just as easily landed that punch a half inch in a different direction and Werdum would have been out cold in 45 seconds and either way, his skill set would be the same today, and if they rematched, people would say it's a slaughter waiting to happen and Werdum would in reality have a chance to win.

 

Just like on Saturday. If Lesnar and Carwin fight ten times, nobody is winning ten, and perhaps nobody is even winning seven. Yet when it's over, people will claim undisputed proof when it is over that whoever lost, was completely overrated and had no skill, beat up on easy guys or whatever, and the truth is, it's 50/50 that the loser could beat the winner next time they fight. Werdum's skill set is completely different than Brock Lesnar's and there is no proof from anything that happened what would happen in Fedor vs. Lesnar other than Lesnar is not getting that triangle from the bottom. And if they fought ten times, you'd probably have several different results as well.

 

The lesson of what a win with top guys shows as far as absolute superior ability is when running down the high-profile rematches in UFC history, the guy who lost, no matter how devastating the first loss was, was every bit as likely to win the second time.

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