sek69 Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Dave mentions that there's 3 new members of the hall, and I assume one of them is the Rock, any hawt rumors on who the other 2 may be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaacduke Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 How much longer until it is officially announced? Also, I remember The Rock being a shoo-in this time, but were there any other surefire candidates up for the first time this year? If not, I'm thinking the Rock n' Roll Express may have squeaked in this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Mysterio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Meltz indirectly confirmed in yesterday's update that The Rock got in. Â Also... Â I haven't received the issue yet but on another board, kid zombie said The Rock, Evan "Strangler" Lewis and St. Louis promoter Tom Packs were enshrined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I love how The Rock can comfortably talk on the record in the WON about his experiences in the wrestling business, including burying the people in the business who think he sold out or whatever stupid bullshit like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted October 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 So I guess no one in Lucha is ever going to get elected unless Dave puts them in on fiat. Â For that matter, how the hell does Paco Alonso end up one percentage point away from election and Dr. Wagner Sr. drops to 41%? I'm not a Lucha expert, but everything I've read indicates that CMLL is the most conservative, predictable company in the world. I guess it's safe business, but is it considered HOF worthy for a promoter just to not drive his company into the ground? What has he done this year to nearly get over the hump other than have a pissing contest with Santo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I bet most people that vote for these awards know who Dr. Wagner Sr. is or how good he was. Paco got more votes because he's head of CMLL like you said and there was a time when CMLL was good and exciting. Of course that was almost 20 years ago and I don't think Paco was the owner back then. And even though Paco hates Konnan, I bet Konnan voted him in if he has a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Konnan seems to be splitting the Mexican vote. Once he gets in, it'll be a lot easier for Villano III, Karloff Lagarde or Dr Wagner Sr. to make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I was really pleasantly surprised by the support Karloff Lagarde got. I don't know how much of that was because of his death, don't know whether or not most people had their votes in already when it happened. Still, that support didn't translate to Enrique Torres, which may or may not mean anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Konnan seems to be splitting the Mexican vote. Once he gets in, it'll be a lot easier for Villano III, Karloff Lagarde or Dr Wagner Sr. to make it. Its more likely that if Konan gets in, the people who voted for him wont vote for another Mexican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Konnan seems to be splitting the Mexican vote. Once he gets in, it'll be a lot easier for Villano III, Karloff Lagarde or Dr Wagner Sr. to make it. Its more likely that if Konan gets in, the people who voted for him wont vote for another Mexican.  Which is the point. They'll stop voting in the "Mexico Region":  Current Mexico Region:  75 Folks who Vote for a Variety of luchadores 25 Folks who only Vote for someone like Konnan  Future Mexico Region:  75 Folks who Vote for a Variety of luchadores  It's easier to get 60% of the 75 voters than it is to get 60% of the 100 voters when 25% show up just to vote for Konnan.  Japan was the same way. Kobashi and Liger in the years they came out got a load of votes from people who don't even follow puroresu. They've simply seen Dave pimp the fuck out of those two for years. They swell the number of voters... probably in their cases by almost double. Get rid of them, and people like Aja had chances.  The question then becomes for luchadores:  * are they a Aja Candidate  * or are they a Hase Candidate  The Hase style candidate still tends to get a chunk of their votes from non-puroresu fans, which helped them over the hump. Their being on the ballot, then, draws in a few more non-puroresu fans than would otherwise vote. It doesn't impact the rest of the field like Liger or Kobashi, but can impact some close calls (which the candidate is as well).  An Aja is largely pulling for their 60% purely from the voters who know something about the region. It tends to be an uphill struggle.  I don't know if there are any Hase Candidates once you get past Konnan.  The best thing that can happen is get Konnan in, or better or worse, to open up the rest of the Lucha field.  It's the sad, fucked up nature of how Dave runs it. Instead of splitting his ballot up into Regions, and telling voters which region they can vote in, Dave sends out a ballot with the assumption that a vote does (or *might*) know something about everyone on the ballot. It's a fairly easy thing for Dave to solve... but I'm not sure if he wants to.  He really does need to rethink the election process. With Rock in and the rest of the group kind of just "there", it's the year for him to start thinking about it. Even he knows that there aren't really many strong candidates out there. I don't think he'd agree that the collection of people he's put in (he would point to "the voters put in") over the past 5-6 years have been collectively mediocre. He probably think's 90% of them are worthy. But he *would* agree that the pickings are getting slim. The problem is that the way he's set it up, a fair amount of those slim pickings are going to be getting in over the next 5+ years.   John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Seriously, who got Lino Ventura into the Hall of Fame? Â Every bio I read of him did not say more than a single sentence about his wrestling career. Apparently it doesn't matter if you wrestled in front of 60 000 people or had 50 sellouts in 2 months in the same town, as long as you are European you are screwed. Â Note to self: To get Hans Schwarz Jr. inducted, don't tell Meltzer that he dominated the German wrestling scene for 20 years (1930-1955), a feat no other person ever did accomplish over here, just send him the link for his IMDB resume! http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0777533/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I'm angry at historians. One vote for Rey? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 John, you're classified as a historian, right? Did you vote for Rey and Jose was too busy to send in his ballot or was Jose the only vote or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I'm not sure we should be too angry at the historians for failing to vote for Rey. It depends on the reasons why they failed to vote for him. I know Steve Yohe didn't vote for him because he felt it was too early and wanted to wait and see. In this case that is probably too cautious, but I'd rather see that than more weak candidates like Kurt Angle get rushed in when first eligible who got badly exposed in the years after induction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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