strobogo Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 MJF is a pathological liar and will lie about anything at any time if it gets him an advantage in some way. All problems solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 The way this is playing out to me seems like this was going to be another MJF plot to stab someone in the back, but somewhere along the way he caught feelings and now he (maybe) actually has a friend for the first time. The whole deal about him thinking video games are for nerds because he never had someone to play them with and Cole being the exact type of guy who would be down with bro'ing out with anyone over games was the turning point. Plus it also seems like a good way to do a test run of babyface MJF and see just how over he would be (since I get the feeling Max legit is resistant to turning face, maybe this was a way to show him it would work). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB Posted July 15, 2023 Report Share Posted July 15, 2023 I can understand Max's resistance if that happens to be the situation. I don't want to see a MJF babyface test run, especially if there isn't another top heel of his caliber in AEW. I think Jack Perry's heel turn is part of what's going on with MJF. Tony wants to give Jack (and BC Gold/BCC, I guess) more room to get over as a heel(s), so Max is playing more of a babyface as a consequence. I could see Max being pissed about that. I'd rather see Kingston get a title shot or Darby in a one on one rematch than tagging with Cole and going over again in a rematch. Cassidy still hasn't gotten a shot, he's like 84-0 this year. Or send Hook. You want to make a splash for Nick Wayne, give him a non-title tv win over MJF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 HOLY SHIT THIS MATCH! I LOVE FTR! I LOVE PRO WRESTLING! And it’s not even over yet… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 So…Ricky Starks is turning heel again already?! WTF?! He cheats to win the Owen Cup and then massively disrespects Jushin Thunder Liger during the trophy presentation. I certainly can’t see with the way that came across that it was anything other than a heel turn. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 That tag match was unfucking real, loved almost every single second of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Another good main event for Collision. By the way, how in the name of fuck is Ian Riccaboni not the main announcer for at least Collision?? Kevin Kelly has been bleh at best and Ian showed up tonight and did an outstanding job as the play by play guy. The built in chemistry with Nigel was palpable too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Part of me wonders if MJF and Starks both bounce after their contracts are up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 2 hours ago, The Thread Killer said: HOLY SHIT THIS MATCH! I LOVE FTR! I LOVE PRO WRESTLING! And it’s not even over yet… All FTR does is worship Bret and have great matches. Being in Calgary must have been like a religious experience for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfectly Straightedge Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Jmare007 said: Another good main event for Collision. By the way, how in the name of fuck is Ian Riccaboni not the main announcer for at least Collision?? Kevin Kelly has been bleh at best and Ian showed up tonight and did an outstanding job as the play by play guy. The built in chemistry with Nigel was palpable too. I thought the exact same thing. Ian is awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MLB Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Worth a mention from Collision how massively over the Acclaimed are in Canada. Even they seemed taken aback by the ovation they got. Oh, and I thought Dr. Martha looks great at 56. Owen married extremely well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Did I miss something late in the third fall that caused FTR to simultaneously drop their sharpshooters? It seemed out of nowhere with White & Juice making no effort to break the holds and felt too early for a simple sell from them. It was the only part of the match that felt wonky but stood out to me. Outside of that? Yeah, another legit classic and very possibly superior to last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Collision is slowly becoming my favourite watch of the week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 6 hours ago, WingedEagle said: Did I miss something late in the third fall that caused FTR to simultaneously drop their sharpshooters? It seemed out of nowhere with White & Juice making no effort to break the holds and felt too early for a simple sell from them. It was the only part of the match that felt wonky but stood out to me. Outside of that? Yeah, another legit classic and very possibly superior to last week. I think the camera shot missed the spot. Commentary said they were both to exhausted to keep the hold but on TV it was impossible to see what exactly happened. Dax taking out his knee pad for better leverage (loved the call by Nigel on that one) makes more sense if he couldn't maintain the sharpshooter prior though, so in my head it still worked perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 7 hours ago, WingedEagle said: Did I miss something late in the third fall that caused FTR to simultaneously drop their sharpshooters? It seemed out of nowhere with White & Juice making no effort to break the holds and felt too early for a simple sell from them. It was the only part of the match that felt wonky but stood out to me. Outside of that? Yeah, another legit classic and very possibly superior to last week. 36 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: I think the camera shot missed the spot. Commentary said they were both to exhausted to keep the hold but on TV it was impossible to see what exactly happened. Dax taking out his knee pad for better leverage (loved the call by Nigel on that one) makes more sense if he couldn't maintain the sharpshooter prior though, so in my head it still worked perfectly. I thought that the referee told Dax and Cash that he wasn’t going to count the submission if both teams were in the ring simultaneously, he kept waving his arms indicating that he wanted only the legal men in the ring, and it sounded like he was saying that one pair of them needed to leave. Plus, Juice and Switchblade grabbed each other’s arms to prevent themselves from tapping, so I thought FTR just gave up trying to get the double submission. But I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delacroix Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 40 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: I think the camera shot missed the spot. Commentary said they were both too exhausted to keep the hold but on TV it was impossible to see what exactly happened. Dax taking out his knee pad for better leverage (loved the call by Nigel on that one) makes more sense if he couldn't maintain the sharpshooter prior though, so in my head it still worked perfectly. obviously I’m not sure how much my memory is garbling things now, but I remember Wheeler’s sharpshooter looking much better than Harwood’s, which I was hoping they would point out and attribute to the legwork. that would lead directly to him being forced to drop the hold, then Wheeler dropping his can easily be explained by not being the legal man and there no longer being a need to neutralize the other guy. then Harwood reapplying the move more tightly was explained perfectly, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Ian Riccaboni is so much better than Kevin Kelly, and has significantly better chemistry with Nigel. Kevin Kelly was a weird choice from the jump considering he had no history with AEW and he's full time English commentator for NJ and it is G1 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Just now, strobogo said: Ian Riccaboni is so much better than Kevin Kelly, and has significantly better chemistry with Nigel. Kevin Kelly was a weird choice from the jump considering he had no history with AEW and he's full time English commentator for NJ and it is G1 season. You’re not wrong. Riccaboni and Nigel were outstanding as a team last night. Much better than Kevin Kelly and Nigel and definitely miles ahead of Excalibur, Taz and Schiavone. That seems to be the general consensus across the so-called “IWC” today, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 Fighful just reported that Ian was the first choice for Collision but he said he No because he is prioritizing his family first. He just signed a new multi year deal and he will do mostly ROH and be the fill in when Kevin Kelly has Japan commitments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted July 16, 2023 Report Share Posted July 16, 2023 23 minutes ago, sek69 said: Fighful just reported that Ian was the first choice for Collision but he said he No because he is prioritizing his family first. He just signed a new multi year deal and he will do mostly ROH and be the fill in when Kevin Kelly has Japan commitments. That would be great if Tony Khan actually gave a shit about ROH. They got off to a great start for the first six weeks but Ring of Honor has really gone downhill now. I know I already bitched about this elsewhere, but the fact they have a quarterly PPV this Friday, and have barely booked any matches (and the matches they have booked are pretty pointless) makes it obvious he just doesn’t care about this anymore. It’s bad enough they are taping the show before and after Collision now, and not in front of an exclusive audience with their own dedicated TV tapings now. But the show is just crap now, the creative is total garbage and ROH has basically taken the place of Dark/Elevation. Riccaboni is wasted there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wrestling 2000 Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Jmare007 said: I think the camera shot missed the spot. Commentary said they were both to exhausted to keep the hold but on TV it was impossible to see what exactly happened. Dax taking out his knee pad for better leverage (loved the call by Nigel on that one) makes more sense if he couldn't maintain the sharpshooter prior though, so in my head it still worked perfectly. I also thought that call by Nigel was amazing. Tag match was absolutely incredible. I got spoiled before i watched Collision but even then i was biting on so much stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 On 7/16/2023 at 4:07 PM, The Thread Killer said: It’s bad enough they are taping the show before and after Collision now, and not in front of an exclusive audience with their own dedicated TV tapings now. Even though this adversely affects the quality, Tony is wise enough to realize than ROH-only shows would not draw an audience and would only be a money pit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 50 minutes ago, C.S. said: Even though this adversely affects the quality, Tony is wise enough to realize than ROH-only shows would not draw an audience and would only be a money pit. Ring of Honor were doing tapings at Universal Studios at the start, and it was great for a bunch of reasons. Firstly, they had the place laid out really well. The crowds were very small, probably only a few hundred people…but the soundstage was really well designed and had a great unique look with the ROH specific graphics and signs and everything. The tapings had a really unique look, they did not look just like the AEW shows with a couple of ROH signs slapped up. It made the ROH show distinctly different from the AEW product. Secondly, because the tapings were announced well in advance, the crowd was actually there to see ROH specifically. They were very loud, very vocal crowds. They weren’t just AEW fans that were just there because it was something to watch before or after AEW. Thirdly, and probably most importantly, they were taping TV four weeks at a time. That was forcing the notoriously scatter brained Tony Khan to actually book his show out in advance. You could tell what direction they were going, what they were building towards at the next PPV from week one, because they did not have any choice. As soon as they started doing the tapings in conjunction with the AEW shows, they lost all sense of uniqueness, and you could tell he just started slapping together whatever matches he thought up on the spot. Not to mention, when they stopped doing ROH specific tapings, they really cut back on bringing in original ROH talent, and they started relying on the total nobodies that they had on the AEW roster who had just been kicking around doing nothing and were not good enough or popular enough to appear on AEW TV. It might make sense from a financial standpoint, but it still sucks to see Tony Khan have basically given up on trying to present ROH as a unique brand and original product. He had a real chance to do something interesting for a while there. And for a very brief time he did it, but then he blew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 18, 2023 Report Share Posted July 18, 2023 I like ROH. It frustrates me but it’s enjoyable wrestling for the sake of wrestling and I like wrestling. It’s also removed from most of the wrestlers I like least in AEW (most), and has one of my absolute favorites featured every week in 2023 Athena. I think the negatives bugged me more before Collision started. Now it’s the wrestling I catch after I finished everything else each week and I usually enjoy it more in reality than I think I will on paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted July 19, 2023 Report Share Posted July 19, 2023 On 7/13/2023 at 8:29 PM, Dav'oh said: I think you answered your own question. "Child prodigies" rarely fare well against mature, experienced competitors in any field. 18 year-old world champions exist in...BMX? Snowboarding? Sonic the fucking Hedgehog? Game, set, and match, Alcarez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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