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El Dandy, Talisman y Guerrero Negro vs. Los Javieres (EMLL 3/21/87) I have had more time off lately than I would have liked so I've been trying to go through some of my unwatched comps. This match was really good, I'm not really sure how it didn't end up making the lucha set. It's got your standard trios tropes like the heels holding the ring and dominating for the first fall They put a cool little twist in it though where all three of the babyfaces climb different turnbuckles and jump into the ring at one time as the heels hold the center. The heels all eat dropkicks but roll outside and regroup and end up retaking their advantage and winning the first fall with a triple submission on one of the Javiers (seriously, you expect me to tell them apart when they all have the same first name and the same outfit?) The big story of this match is Guerrero Negro and uhh I think Javier Valaquez . Guerrero Negro is doing a lot of gnawing on his forehead. And Javier is doing a lot of bleeding. Javier's white pants are covered in blood. Everyone else is definitely in the background here. They do this funny sequence where EVERYONE misses some kind of senton or splash as they all trade attempts and rolling away. This is followed up by a Talisman dive that is anything but graceful but that just makes it feel more dangerous. We are left with Guerrero Negro and Valaquez in the ring and Guerrero Negro reverses a rana and locks on a boston crab for the win. I think that's two straight falls for the heels. Afterwards we get some celebrating by the heels followed by what I believe is the ring announcer informing us that Valaquez has challenged Guerrero Negro to a hair match. I could be wrong on that however. This was a lot of fun and I could have seen this finishing somewhere in the 65-75 range on my ballot if it'd been on the set. El Dandy, Talisman y Guerrero Negro vs. Los Javieres (EMLL 1987) Everyone still has their hair in this match so either I was wrong about what was going on at the end of the last match, this match actually takes place before the other one, or this is like a lot later in 1987. Perhaps someone else knows and can clear up the confusion. This starts out totally different than the other match with a ton of action and the babyfaces winning the first fall in about 3 minutes. This was a really fast and fun first fall. The Javieres have changed from their white pants to red so I am going to predict no blood in this match In between falls we have a commercial for a brand new 1987 Dodge Colt selling for $5887. Old car commercials really make you appreciate the joys of rampant inflation and stagnant wages. The second fall starts off hot and heavy with Talisman and uhh Javier trading reversals which ends with Talisman bouncing on the ropes to come down on Javier in the corner and Javier pushing his feet up and sending Talisman over the ropes and into the lap of an old woman in the front row. We get some more babyface dominance as Guerrero Negro & Dandy both fail to turn the tide until Talisman comes back in. He complains about being sent over the top rope and wants a handshake but attacks as Rocca looks to his corner for guidance. I love Talisman. At this point the heels take over the ring and we get some double and triple team moves. Rocca and Cruz eat pins and then El Dandy hits a fucking monster top rope senton on Valaquez and all 3 babyfaces eat pins to send this into the 3rd fall. Dandy continues his attack on Valaquez in between falls and the refs do a lot of hair pulling on him and Guerrero Negro to break that up. After a commercial we come back to the 3rd fall having started and the heels holding the ring with Rocca taking a beating with Valaquez and Cruz being kept outside. This settles back down and we get back to Guerrero Negro vs. Valaquez. We get a cool spot where Rocca leapfrogs Dandy and then dives out onto Talisman followed by Dandy diving onto Cruz to clear everyone away from the Guerrero Negro/Valaquez battle. And this in a disappointing fashion as Guerrero Negro fouls Valaquez and tries to cover him like nothing happened but the refs are both all over it and call for the DQ. This was fun but the other matchup between these two trios was definitely better. Next match on the disc is a match I didn't care for on the 80s set but everyone else did so I will give it another chance and rewatch it. But I don't feel all that excited about it so I'm going to go watch something completely different first.

I think people should be allowed to write as much as they want, but if you do a really long write-up of a TV show then maybe kind of a do a quick tl;dr summary at the end. Like I could flesh this out as much as I want but at the end of the day a summary version would go like this: Lance did a run down of today's TV show and what happened Monday at the Mid-South Coliseum The Fabulous Ones had a squash match, followed by a brawl with The Moondogs Bill Dundee cut a promo on Jerry Lawler about their upcoming match Monday night Jerry Lawler beat Lou Winston in a squash, followed by a promo about Bill Dundee Lance runs down the whole card for Monday night The show ends with an expiration of time draw with Fire & Flame vs. The Nightmares

Great promo. I liked him as Troy T. Tyler in Southeastern, Dream Machine & regular Troy Graham in Memphis. Unfortunately he had a really short career due to an ankle injury and even before the injury it wasn't like he was such an amazing worker that you would still feel obligated to consider him. Good wrestler but not great. Don't see him as a real candidate.

You know what, I'm going to go ahead and stake the claim right now that in the long run, Rusev is better off without Lana. I think he's proving now that he's a better promo than she is. And I think he'll get a more solid heel reaction without her there getting "We want Lana" chants and distracting from his matches.

I think you guys are underselling Matt Farmer's great post. Now I fully expect people to get way too worked up over this comparison but The Ultimate Warrior had 2 really good WrestleMania matches. The common factor in those matches is that they spent days planning and practicing those matches. No one thinks of The Ultimate Warrior as a great worker because he had great matches that he had days to plan. The difference is that we saw a bunch of crappy Warrior matches before we saw those Mania matches. So we knew the difference between "normal" Warrior and the Warrior we saw vs. Hogan and vs. Savage. We don't know the difference with the NXT women until they get called up. So far it's been a big difference, even accounting for the differences in match time.

The first was one the best out of the 3 but it went downhill from there. Which is like the cardinal sin of multi match feuds.

Doesn't seem like Shane Douglas would come out looking too good either based on the trailer.

The fact of the matter is, Rusev had to lose eventually. You can argue that he should have lost to someone else, but he was GOING to lose. And every time someone has a long undefeated streak, they take a hit when they finally lose. It kind of always happens. I don't think they are done pushing him by any means, he's still getting a ton of time to cut live promos in front of the crowd. They don't let just anyone do that.

I didn't know Montreal wasn't an NWA territory? Seems like they had working agreements with other promotions, especially Puerto Rico. If freelance guys are available to be drafted that adds another bit of strategy to drafting. Like, do you take Brody early because you can use him as a trading tool and loan him out to other promotions in exchange for using one of their guys?

Ohhhh I didn't think about doing Montreal! Wasn't Maple Leaf seasonal? Like they only ran during the summer? I kinda get the Canadian territories mixed up sometimes, I know the Maritimes was a seasonal group. Another thing to consider: Guys who were freelance. Like how are we going to decide what happens with guys like Bruiser Brody, Abdullah the Butcher, The Road Warriors, etc.? Some kind of sharing agreement between the bookers?

I'm sure there are going to be people wanting to do the big territories like AWA, WWF, and JCP. For me I'd rather do something kinda small where I'm familiar enough with the promotion to kind of understand who was there and how things worked but not enough where I'd wind up subconsciously trying to re-do things that actually happened. Like, Southeastern is my favorite to watch but I'm not sure I could book it a whole lot differently than what ended up happening.

I really don't want them to turn Roman although it seems like every other person on the internet is screaming for it.

This is accurate. I bought a Butch Reed comp and a Jake Roberts comp after watching the Mid-South set. One of them is my favorite wrestler compilation that I have. The other is the only comp I ever regret having bought.

So I was thinking about The Undertaker/Kane feud from 2010. I absolutely LOVED that feud. I thought Kane did a very good job carrying the feud with his promos (even when they tried to sabotage him by playing music during all of them) and The Undertaker having his powers "stolen" only to be revived by Paul Bearer and the urn was just a great story. Unfortunately, the matches kind of stunk. So I was wondering if there are any other feuds that people remember as being great from a storyline/angles/promo standpoint that just didn't deliver when it came time to get in the ring?

That is true, their matches weren't bad they just weren't as good as you thought they might be. But that happens from time to time in wrestling. You see two guys matched up who are great and you think will have great matches together but either don't mesh with their styles or personalities or just have bad chemistry.

I'm not going to get hung up on managers either way because even as important as Jimmy Hart was to Memphis, I feel like you can book the territory without him. I don't know what you really do with Memphis if someone drafts Lawler before you though. *I am just using Memphis as like my go to example. Not trying to call dibs on it or anything (For some reason I'm leaning towards wanting to do Southwest Championship Wrestling)

Not to continually beat this dead horse but did this go anywhere? Oh also, someone sent me a PM today asking me how to get into the Village Green Society and I sent him your way Loss. Not sure if there is anything that tells people who to contact when they don't know the password? Thanks for my sig also. Somehow found my way into a thread about the Vince McMahon limo explosion. That was a fun read.

Managers tended to move around a bit more than announcers (obviously there are exceptions with guys who homesteaded) so I wouldn't really have a problem with all of them going into the draft. I also wouldn't have a problem if the idea was you get to save one manager along with your one wrestler. Not sure if that would be unfair considering some territories didn't use them at all, some only used one and some had multiple managers.

I put all that on Slaughter who was in his "I don't want to do much because wrestling is my part time job now" mode. I am pretty sure there is some interview with Hansen where he says Slaughter would always tell him "hey let's take it easy out there tonight" or something along those lines.

I hadn't really thought about it like that, but they did clearly want to position Cena in a "Is he still as good as he used to be?" kind of way during the Rusev feud. I felt they were too heavy handed with it at first with him being referred to as an "old man" and the crowd totally not going for that narrative. As with all things WWE, a good commentary team would help further that story if that's really what they are going for.

I did see on another board where someone posted your tweet about how Dixie went to DA and asked them for money to pay production people. Was that before or after the email incident?

I would have answered Hardwork Bobby Walker in about 2 seconds because as soon as Johnny started listing the charges I was like 'OHHH OHHH I KNOW THIS ONE!' I had forgotten about Lawler running over a cop's foot and basically getting away with it. Sometimes it IS great to be The King.

Nothing as far as I know. EDIT: Continental went back to running Knoxville some after USA closed down, but I couldn't tell you if that was a regular town for them or not. Continental closed down near the end of 1989.

The only disappointing thing about Hansen and AWA to me is that Jerry Blackwell was so broken down that they couldn't do more together.