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For shits and giggles, here's the show that got me truly hooked: 6/24/79 Minneapolis TV Pat Patterson & Ray Stevens beat Butch Malone & Dick Reynolds Billy Robinson beat Armando Rodriguez Jesse Ventura beat Caesar Pabon Non Title Greg Gagne beat AWA Champion Nick Bockwinkel *** Best part is Gagne having Bock trapped in the sleeper in the middle of the ring, and putting him out, all the while Wally Karbo holding back (literally) Bobby Duncum from interfering at ringside.
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A little retro for you from Graham's site: WWF @ Baltimore, MD - Civic Center - October 11, 1985 Scott McGee defeated Rene Goulet Cpl. Kirchner defeated Barry O Randy Savage defeated SD Jones Tony Garea defeated Tom Rice Andre the Giant, Barry Windham, & Mike Rotundo defeated Big John Studd, King Kong Bundy, & Bobby Heenan WWF Tag Team Champions Greg Valentine & Brutus Beefcake defeated Davey Boy Smith & the Dynamite Kid The Junkyard Dog defeated Nikolai Volkoff
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Pretty much a straight-up scientific contest. Snuka's popularity at that point with the fans made Backlund befriending him at the end of the bout with the towel and handshakes and all that a smart move. Nobody wanted to boo him at that point.
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Who: My Grandfather was a big fan, and I used to watch the matches with him when I was very young...before I can remember, actually. My mom tells me a story about me pretending to be "Kobayashi in and around 1972..I would have been 3 at the time. What: earliest was Montreal wrestling, Cannon group stuff with Sheik, DeNucci, Arion (as a face), El santos 1 and 2, Superstar Dave Drayson (their manager), and Waldo Von Erich, to name a few. After that, AWA wrestling. What hooked me? Greg Gagne getting a non-title pin on TV over Nick Bockwinkel in the summer of 1979. A mind-boggling upset, especially for a nine-year old to abosrb. When: Had an eye for it when I was VERY young as noted above, with first real memories coming in the mid-late 70's with the Cannon stuff. Where: Thunder Bay, Ontario. the Cannon stuff was on Canadian TV, and the AWA on Duluth Minnesota TV. Strangely enough, we got no TV out of Toronto so I never saw any Tunney stuff on the telly. Why: No idea why. No idea why it's stuck to me for pretty much my whole life, either. Being a natural collector helps out now a ton, and has always cultivated my interest in it...the ability to trade for stuff I had rad about but never seen, and to see again stuff I remembered from my youth. That still keep sme interested to this day.
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I watched the Philly Snuka-Backlund match with SD Jones last night to see if I had it right.
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Jake Roberts vs. Randy Savage from SNME comes to mind. This would've been in 87 or so? They start heel vs. heel, but the crowd basically turns Jake during this match. It's a pretty damn good match too. I'm thinking of a Snuka-backlund match from Philly that may have taken place after the TV showed Albano cheating Snuka out of his money, where Snuka was still a "heel" but the turn was in progress.
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I'm wondering if that show aired on The Fight Network previously. they had about twelve St. Louis shows that they cycled through. A bunch of Memphis classic shows too. It's decent stuff, though.
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Is it plausible to think that Bret, having suffered a stroke (albeit years ago), won't wrestle Vince in a one-on-one match at mania, and instead it'll be some sort of 6-man with the Younger hart group and Bret vs. Vince and a few wrestler cronies? That would make more sense to me. You protect Bret (if he needs it, and it wouldn't surprise me if he did) and help get the new hart kids over at the biggest show of the year at the same time. just asking...I caught only bits and pieces of both last night. Bret-vince was WAAAAAAY too long considering a monkey knew what the outcome was going to be, and I saw jarrett come out and give a super-charged emotional speech on Impact, just to be buried by Hogan immediately afterwards, and not in a way that promotes any sort of feud between the two, imo. that was more than enough for me.
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Holy shit, really? That's unreal.
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Thread Killer's take on the Matysik book is bang-on. I read it a while back and the Brody-licking is really over the top.
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The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
I assume they did not show the clips of Rhode's loss or the angle surrounding that loss? Too bad, as the whole thing together works so much better than any piece by itself of that whole five day switch-fest. Can someone give me a rundown of this angle? Race won the title back by DQ and I'm pretty sure it wasn't acknowledge in the Apter mags or on NWA shows outside of Florida. It wasn't. The basics of it: -Rhodes wins title from Race -rematch 5 nights later. Rhodes comes into the ring first (? he was champ) -Terry Funk appears from the crowd and attacks Rhodes, ultimately jumping on his arm from the top rope and breaking it. -Race comes to ring at this point. Other wrestlers came down and got Funk out of there -Rhodes wants to wrestle, other faces beg him not to -Rhodes wrestles the match one-armed. he did an awesome job of selling it, and Race worked it over throughout the match. The clips of this match illustrate Race working over the arm, it's good. Now, putting this into perspective, because of a ruling in the Rhodes win where one of them wasn't DQed for an over the top rope infraction, the NWA specifically made this match one where the title could changes hands on a DQ. you know what happens next.... -Race sets Dusty for a piledriver by the ropes. Dusty backdrops race to get out of it..right out of the ring. Camera freezes as race is in mid-deposit over the top. This led sooner than later to a violent feud between Rhodes and Funk in Florida. But wait, there's more... The clips of both title matches were played with Dusty in the studio with Solie. They commentated on the first match, took a break, and came back and showed the film of the second one complete with all that I described above. Rhodes is getting angrier and angrier throughout the clip. When it finishes, they go back to the studio, where Rhodes and Solie talk more about it. Out comes Jos Leduc, to tell Mr. Solie that he paid for that interview time and it was his turn. Solie puts off Leduc for a few minutes, noting that the changing of the NWA title and the circumstances around it were huge news and needed the airtime. He would get his time but after. Leduc leaves, and Rhodes continues talking...for about 5 seconds, and leduc comes back with a chair and gets ready to sit down saying he paid for the interview time and he wasn't leaving. Rhodes gets up to leave, and Leduc makes a comment about Rhodes running or losing the belt or something. Rhodes attacks Leduc and brains him with the cast on his broken arm, sending Jos over the desk to the floor. Solie goes to say something and Rhodes LOSES it, cutting an angry promo over the fallen Leduc. Rhodes leaves. A few prelim guys come out and help Jos to the dressing room, half-concious and bleeding from the forehead. This led to a Rhodes-Leduc feud for a while, porbably before the Terry Funk one started in earnest as I think a Leduc-Rhodes blowoff chain match had Funk run-in and get their real feud going. *** The clips from Florida TV for this are only about 8 minutes long for everything I described above, but it's excellent and extremely effective in taking the focus off of Rhodes losing the NWA title via DQ, which is still at it's base one of themost rediculous things I've ever seen. Hope that helps. For those that want to see it, it should all be on Will's Funk set whenever he releases it. -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
I assume they did not show the clips of Rhode's loss or the angle surrounding that loss? Too bad, as the whole thing together works so much better than any piece by itself of that whole five day switch-fest. -
From the latest Observer...seems Dave read Hulk's book on the way over to the U.K. Lots of stuff from his incredible rant against the "facts" (or lack thereof) in the book, but this absolutely made me LOL: L-O-L. this thread will probably never die as long as Hogan is alive.
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My bad. i'll fix it...
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From Alvarez on the tuesday update: It IS a low price, but I think if Alvarez factored in that there are probably a lot of structural upgrades needed at this point, and there isn't any sort of regular tenant affixed to it to pay rent that I know of, he probably wouldn't be so blown away by that number. I mean, you buy it, but what do you use it for? Probably you tear it down and use the land for some sort of shopping mall or other new project. Tearing it down would cost big bucks, too. I just found his reaction funny.
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The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
A bit off-topic, but since Hansen defended the AWA title on that tour anyways, I never got why Baba having the title defenses booked made a difference in whether or not Hansen dropped the title to Bock in Denver the night before he left for Japan. There were Japanese tapers there that night, but was a Hansen pinfall loss being recorded still a big issue at that point? It's not like they had to ever show the damn thing on Japanese TV. Just wondering...please return to your regulrarly scheduled discussion... -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
Bockwinkel wasn't booked all that differently in the regular AWA so I never made the connection to where you were going with that until you spelled it out above. -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
If anyone ever does a Dusty In Florida set, there's a lot more to hit on. The whole King of the Ring nonsense to get Dusty a win over the NWA Champ. Dusty in Florida was every bit as abusive to the NWA Title as Fritz was in Texas. John Would you throw Lawler & the AWA title in that list as well. I wouldn't. He seemed to win more than he lost against Kerry, for example. -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
I don't believe that they did (smartly so). I first read about how that went down either at WC or KM, and then I got the footage from McAdam a few years later. -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
If anyone ever does a Dusty In Florida set, there's a lot more to hit on. The whole King of the Ring nonsense to get Dusty a win over the NWA Champ. Dusty in Florida was every bit as abusive to the NWA Title as Fritz was in Texas. John Indeed. To this end, which of these were a part of Rhodes' title loss back to Race in 1979? a) title can change hands on a DQ Rhodes wrestling with a broken arm...and literally being unable to use the limb for the entire match c) Terry Funk pre-match sneak attack d) all of the above Of course, you know the answer, which if you stop and think about for a minute, is mind-bogglingly disrespectful towards the "integrity" of the NWA title. -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
The description, if accurate, tells me that it is indeed the 1979 title change. Good stuff. Since this appears just to be the match clips, I would recommend seeking out the entire Rhodes wins title-defends against Race-Funk attacks Dusty-Race regains title angle. Goodhelmet should have his Terry Funk set out soon and it'll be on that. It's an amazing study in how Rhodes was booked in Florida as the ultimate hero, even at the expense of the NWA title and all the prestige that surrounded it. -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
Certainly wouldn't be the first time I've done that. I think they will certainly follow the pattern you have laid out in your post here, but I can see the doc using a very small portion of the Dory win (say, 5 seconds? Dory celebrating with the belt, something like that) and then other footage to highlight Dory's reign, if they choose to do that. The whole film will be in the match section, but it will still be short. I'm a footage buff so I hope I'm dead wrong, but I don't think so. I also would think that using all of what they have available still qualifies them as holding to their pattern of historical dvd releases. Let's look at the Rhodes-Race footage that is supposed to be there. The 1979 film (both Rhodes' win and loss) is the standard clipped-up Florida film. Great inclusion, but so much of it revolves around the Funk interfering angle that it doesn't seem to fit a "historical" dvd release. Rhodes' 1981 win over Race does, as it is the bridge from the Race era to the Flair era. Two versions of 1981 exist: 1 is Florida-style film (not exactly but if you've ever seen Omni clips on the early 1980-81 Georgia footage, it's film from a ringside camera), the other is the standard Omni pro-shot camera that they filmed clips off of (Tony Atlas vs. Flair on the HOF for Atlas is an example of this). It's possible the whole match exists from that stationary camera, but I have my doubts. Based on this, I see the bout listed as 1979 actually being the 1981 bout when we get to actually see it. In either case, I will be very surprised if the whole bout is made available. I make these presumptions not so much on what I expect the WWE to do, but on what I think the WWE is working with in terms of footage. the amount of Florida and Atlanta Omni footage I have and have watched doesn't lend to the idea that whole matches are readily available from that era. I also think it's not a losing proposition for WWE to include those shortened pieces, as any fans that are curious about that era of the title (and may perhaps remember reading about it or even watching the angles on TV) will likely mark out that any footage of those matches exist. I marked out huge when I first saw the Rocky Raymond film of Bruno getting pinned by Koloff for the WWWF title, for example. Hopefully I got where you were going this time. -
The History of the World Heavyweight Championship
khawk20 replied to MikeCampbell's topic in Pro Wrestling
Also whatever they churn out basically becomes wrestling history for the masses anyhow...and they know that.