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This was kind of the 90's version of the Fujiwara v. Tiger Mask matchup. Liger is the striker flurrying with palm strikes and slipping in sneaky kappo kicks, while Fujiwara is trying to take him down and slow him down. Some very cool stuff here, including Fujiwara being pretty punishing, landing a big right hand in the corner, and really laying in a beating on Liger when he had the mount, including some nasty bodyshots. Finish run was pretty nifty with Liger having Fujiwara on the ropes with a big kappo kick and a nasty dropkick to the knee, Fujiwara however reverses an irish whip and when Liger dives off the ropes, he side steps him and slaps on the Fujiwara armbar for the finish, it is the kind of counter wrestling finish which Fujiwara is the master of.
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[1994-08-05-NJPW-G1 Climax] Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Yoshiaki Yatsu
Phil Schneider replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Just an old fashioned slugfest between two nasty dudes. Fujiwara is at his dickish cheapshotting best. Landing a sneaky headbutt after a knuckle lock, kidney shots in the corner, and slaps to the chops. Meanwhile Yatsu lands some big throws, and some of the nastier stomps I have seen in a while. There is an awesome nearfall, as Yatsu hits a couple of super brutal bulldogs, but as he goes for a third, Fujiwara slips out and locks in the Fujiwara armbar. I also really liked how after getting caught with a suplex for the pin, Fujiwara went right back to throwing blows. He didn't really give a shit he lost, he just wanted to take a chunk out of Yatsu's ass.- 10 replies
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[1994-08-06-NJPW-G1 Climax] Riki Choshu vs Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Phil Schneider replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
These two guys have just magically charisma with each other. Their June 1987 match is one of my favorite matches of all time, this doesn't live up to that, but it is a worthy entry in the cannon. Fujiwara knows exactly where he is going to win this match, he needs to get Choshu to the ground and submit him, while Choshu wants to keep the match on the feet and smash Fujiwara. It is worked very similar to a striker v. ju jitsu artist MMA match, although way more exciting then those matches usually are. Choshu ends up cutting Fujiwara on the temple and both guys are awesome at losing their temper and talking shit. Unusually for a Fujiwara match this wasn't about the arm, as Fujiwara is constantly moving Choshu into the corners and dragging him down and attacking his leg. FInish was pretty surprising as Fujiwara has a ankle lock variation and Choshu is pulling himself to the ropes to break, he gets almost their but can't take it and gives up. Seemed really abrupt, and that probably kept this from being an EPIC match, still excellent stuff, and Fujiwara really had a hell of a 1994- 7 replies
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A big star six man tag which totally delivers. Starts out a bit slow, but it kicks in gear when our man Fujiwara tags in, he has great exchanges with both Hashimoto and Hase. A great strike exchange with Hashimoto, with Fujiwara landing nasty chops to the neck and Hash laying in kicks. Super cool spot with Hase catching a Fujiwara headbutt and turning it into a uranage. Finish is totally awesome, Hase hits his giant swing on Fujinami , but it makes him dizzy so he stumbles into a Riki lariat. From there you have a big run of moves with everyone hitting their signature stuff, until finally the 80’s stars get triple submissions and the win, The old guys team is totally awesome and I need to see more of them.
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Enjoyable six-man match with everyone looking good. Hashimoto was definitely the standout on the 90's stars team, his interactions with Choshu were totally awesome. They are a pair of thick barrel chested dudes beating the snot out of each other. I loved Hash getting cracked by two Riki lariats and then countering the third with a sick superkick. Our man Fujiwara was a supporting player in this match, but he had some nifty moments, a couple of gritty scraps with Hashimoto and a very cool moment where he clocks a dizzy post Giant swing Hase with a headbutt. Match never really reached the crescendo which would separate it from the pack, but despite that it was well worth seeing.
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[1994-06-01-NJPW] Shinya Hashimoto vs Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Phil Schneider replied to Loss's topic in June 1994
Despite being the first ever New Japan trainee, this was Fujiwara’s only IWGP title match. This is a match up of two of my favorite wrestlers of all time, I saw Hashimoto maul Dylan Knight live in a tiny gym in Pennsylvania and caught his bandana when it was thrown to the crowd. I still have the bandana hanging in the hall of my apartment. I could see a lot of Puro nerds not caring for this match. This isn’t smooth and dramatic like a classic All Japan match from the 1990’s, this was rough and awkward. Both guys would try attacks, which would get countered and then there would be pauses and restarts in action. It was very weirdly paced, in a way I really liked and could see other people hating. Fujiwara really dominates the opening, working on Hashimoto’s shoulder and attempting to really lock in the Fujiwara armbar. The first pause and shift in momentum comes, when Hash bulls Fujiwara into the corner and wraps his bad knee in the ropes. Hash then points to his shoulder in a real “eye for an eye” kind of way. Nothing was hit really cleanly here, Fujiwara kept trying to catch all of Hash’s kicks. Some he would succeed in blunting, but a lot would go through. The more that landed the less he was able to block, in a way that you could tell he was being worn down. All the blocking and awkwardness was the really the opposite of the big strike exchanges most main event Puro matches have. Everything was a struggle. There is a long fight for the first DDT, with Fujiwara trying a bunch of counter attempts, and Hash laying in the knees. When it finally hits Fujiwara takes an almost Kobashish bump on it . Hash pins him off a second DDT which really was sold the way a tough boxer sells a meaningless second knockdown. The first KO was really enough to win the match, but his heart won’t let him go down. Still there was no fight left in him. I loved this match, it really felt more shootstyle then Hash’s match against Takada. This didn’t have the drama of that match, but it had the rough edges and awkwardness, which really made it look like a fight.- 21 replies
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[1994-11-29-WAR] Genichiro Tenryu vs Tatsumi Kitahara
Phil Schneider replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
This is exactly what we thought it was, the two stiffest nastiest fuckers in WAR, kicking and chopping each other unnecessarily hard. Kitihara comes out firing, backing Tenryu in the corner with kicks, and Tenryu stops conversation with a thunderous chop to the throat. That is pretty much the story of the match, not a ton of moves, mostly both guys cracking each other. Tenryu is very good at working near falls against lesser guys. He gets drilled with a couple of head kicks just barely beating the count, and really puts Kithara over as a dangerous guy. Of course he mutilates him with stuff, nothing I love more then reckless Tenryu clotheslines and he delivers a couple of corkers. Nothing complicated about this match at all just a batch of violence. -
This match won the Tokyo Sports MOTY for 1994, that is 1994, the year of Misawa v. Kawada, Vader v. Takada and the Super J Cup. Still you watch this match and think "Yeah fuck a Misawa v. Kawada, this is it right here." Epic match with everyone playing their parts perfectly. Both Goto and Hara are awesome as the bruiser tag partners whose job is to beat on the opposing teams big hitter. Hara brutalizes Onita early with headbutts busting him open, while Goto cracked Tenryu with lariats, superfly splashes and a a face first piledriver on the table. Then they clear out and let the two megastars match up. The finishing run may not have been the smoothest wrestling I have seen, but holy shit are Tenryu and Onita pair of charismatic motherfuckers who know how to draw you in a match. Tenryu's selling was brilliant here, at about the ten minute mark of the match he gets caught with a big DDT from Onita, and he is never able to shake off that shot. He goes back on offense, hits some big moves, but he has this awesome thousand yard stare even when he is firing back. When he finally goes down, it is a huge monster deal, but I buy Onita getting the win, even without explosions. The main event interpromotional WAR tag is one of the greatest thing in wrestling history.
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This had some really strong moments and good performances, but I just don't think these kind of matches are doing a ton for me in 2010. It went too long, even with a clip in the middle, and didn't feel like it had much of a structure. Just a lot of guys doing a bunch of things, some of the things are really cool, but it didn't build much of a coherent tale. I really like Orihara as either an underdog fighting through a beating, or a dickish asshole stiffing people. He can do both in one match and make it work, but here it felt a little like he was shifting back at forth randomly. Also Sasuke brutally blew the Sasuke Special #2 which ruined what had been an awesome dive train. Otherwise Sasuke was pretty great, as he really has a awesome overall shtick, graceful and crazy, as adept at quick lucha exchanges as lunatic bumping. Man is SATO (aka Dick Togo for yall that don't know) stellar too, such crazy agility for a stocky dude, he had the best dive in a match with Orihara, Ultimo and Great fucking Sasuke which is really something. Ultimo had some nice moments, I loved him dickishly breaking up a pin by kicking Sasuke in the eye Tenryu style, but he is still consistently the least guy in almost every match I see him in. I think folks will enjoy this, but I wanted it to be better.
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Have you watched the Terry v. Che matches? Feels like they stylistically fit in that list
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Phil Schneider replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
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Which still doesn't explain why he kept sucking and never learned how to do this shit correctly. It's not like he didn't have the opportunity, he was still working with a shitload of great talent in WCW. Here is a quote from my Vampiro piece which might explain why he wasn't diligently working on his craft. "The promoters wouldn’t let me stop working,.. I couldn’t go out at night without being high, I could go to bed without being high.. I had to get shot with synthetic morphine just to go into the ring.. and when I get out I have to take 20 Halcions just to fall asleep and I have to get up in the morning to do a radio interview and catch a plane and I had to be speeded up for that. I had at least 8 drug overdoses...my heart stopped in the ring.”
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This year has been a pretty great year for lucha. I think the top 5 matches from 2012 would be a good place for folks to start. Negro Casas vs. La Sombra, CMLL 2/20 Angel Blanco Jr./El Hijo del Solitario vs. El Hijo Del Santo/Villano IV, TXT 2/25 Blue Panther vs. Negro Casas, CMLL 3/2 Black Terry vs. Chico Che, IWRG 1/22 Black Terry vs. Chico Che, IWRG 1/29 You get a classic title match, three bloody brawls and a hybrid title match and apuestas. There hasn't been any great trios matches yet this year which is a style unrepresented in this list, but I would think that anyone could find something in these matches to enjoy.
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How about we break the post up into two posts, one talking more about match recommendations and stylistic questions, one about history stuff. Then the thread wouldn't get derailed? Hell I wrote a Vampiro history piece for Fighting Spirit Magazine, I'll go ahead and try to answer some Vampiro questions, I just think the interesting stuff that OJ was doing got dragged off the rails.
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Can we keep this on topic? Who gives a fuck about Vampiro?
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Wrestlers mentioned to enter a territory that never did
Phil Schneider replied to Tim Evans's topic in Pro Wrestling
Didn't Mid-South at least talk up Randy Savage, if not show footage? -
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Phil Schneider replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in The Microscope
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Comparing men and women as wrestlers
Phil Schneider replied to goodhelmet's topic in Megathread archive
If you wanna say that she couldn't compete against the top professional male fighters, that's one thing and I don't have a great argument against it. But it's ridiculous to claim that every man would beat her. I still vividly remember attending a jiujitsu class where this tiny little teenage girl was their best fighter, easily running circles around all the guys in the session. MMA isn't just about physical strength; if it was, then the stronger dude would win in every single fight and that's obviously not the case. Remember those early UFCs where Royce was usually the smallest guy in the entire tournament? He still had little problem in beating a ton of guys who were much larger and stronger than him. EDIT: back to the topic at hand, a common complaint I hear about joshi is that people dislike all the screaming. Women tend to have higher and thus more piercing voices than men; and for whatever reason, this trend seems unusually pronounced among Japanese women. So if they simply get an earache every time they try to watch Manami screeching her head off, I do understand that part. Kinda like how I often find Chono's weird muttering during his matches to be rather distracting. Give me one example where a female athlete has been able to compete with a professional male athlete at the same sport at any level. Much less a combat sport where the natural advantages of strength and flexibility would be exacerbated. It doesn't happen in something like cycling which is no contact at all, I can't even believe you are arguing this seriously, it is like trying to argue with someone who doesn't believe in evolution -
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Phil Schneider replied to goodhelmet's topic in Megathread archive
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[1993-08-13-WWF-MSG, NY] Jerry Lawler vs Randy Savage
Phil Schneider replied to Loss's topic in August 1993
This was very similarly worked to their Nassau Coliseum match a year later, Lawler working his signature heel match, hiding a chain and pounding on an over babyface. Savage however was way more game then he was a year earlier. Lawler breaks out the toastmasters joke book over the microphone to start, and Savage comes out with his own Macho midget dressed in matching gear. Lawler goes after the midget, and is able to crack Savage with a chain while he was on midget defense. Savage takes a huge over the top rope bump and a nasty post shot, and Lawler does the things he did. No one does that particular dance as well as heel King, and we even got a great douche bag rope a dope by Lawler. Savage takes over and chucks Lawler over the top where the king does his insane signature bump, and gets smashed into steel posts. It looks like Savage is going to finish him off, but Lawler surprisingly retakes control by catching him with a shot to the belly off an axehandle. Lawler hits his piledriver but Bret Hart comes out and the jaw back and forth before Lawler spits on Hart, causing Bret to rush the ring and the DQ. Definitely one of the better 90's WWF Lawler matches I have seen, and it was fun to watch Lawler and Savage working with the heel/face roles reversed.- 13 replies
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Comparing men and women as wrestlers
Phil Schneider replied to goodhelmet's topic in Megathread archive
Why? You are kidding right? There isn't a woman athlete alive who can compete on an even level with male athletes in the same sport, especially in something like a combat sport. Cyborg would get smashed by every single male fighter in her weight class at any level. Forget about UFC or Strikeforce, I imagine she would get smacked by guys working outlaw shows in Kentucky. -
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Phil Schneider replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in The Microscope
Jerome's gimmick is to give long winded self important pronouncements on things he hasn't seen. Don't pull back the curtain. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
Phil Schneider replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Dylan is really turning into the Paul F. Tompkins of wrestling podcasts. Fun show. Tomk reviewed this match in one of my favorite things he ever wrote. http://segundacaida.blogspot.com/2010/10/c...-war-games.html -
Independent Wrestling in the US 2000 through 2004
Phil Schneider replied to TravJ1979's topic in Pro Wrestling
Here is the stuff I put on Schneider Comps over the years Michael Modest vs. Christopher Daniels (Fair VQ) (APW 1/22/00) Mike Mayhem vs. Low-Ki (FWA 4/15/00) Jardi Franz & Vinny Massarro vs. West Side Playaz 2000 (APW 5/6/00) Ultrataro Jr. vs. Super Dragon (Revolution Pro 7/7/00) Orion vs. Shirley Doe (Texas Death Match) (CWF 11/22/00) Steve Corino vs. Cham Pain (OMEGA 12/1/00) Christopher Daniels & Mike Modest vs. Westside Playaz 2000 (APW 12/16/00) American Dragon vs. Spanky (ECWA 2/24/01) American Dragon vs. Reckless Youth (ECWA 2/24/01) American Dragon vs. Low-Ki (ECWA 2/24/01) Beau James & K.C. Thunder vs. Batten Twins (Loser Leaves Town, Cage Match) (SSW 5/12/01) Excalibur vs. Super Dragon (Revolution Pro 6/2/01) Quiet Storm, Brian XL & Chris Devine vs. Spanish Announce Team (CZW 6/8/01) Da Hit Squad vs. Red & Joel Maximo (JAPW 6/16/01) Low-Ki vs. Homicide (JAPW 7/7/01) Low-Ki vs. American Dragon (ECWA 7/21/01) Red vs. Low-Ki (UCW 9/14/01) Scoot Andrews vs. American Dragon vs. Low-Ki vs. Christopher Daniels (ECWA 9/22/01) Da Hit Squad vs. Homicide & Insane Dragon (JAPW 10/12/01) Christopher Daniels vs. Low-Ki (ECWA 11/3/01) Dixie vs. Elax (JAPW 11/9/01) Eddie Guerrero vs. Low-Ki (UCW 11/30/01) Dixie vs. Homicide (JAPW 12/17/01) Corporal Robinson vs. Adrian Serrano (Taped Fist Match) (IWA-MS 1/5/02) Chris Hero vs. C.M. Punk (Tables and Ladders) (IWA-MS 2/9/02) C.M. Punk vs. Low-Ki (IWC 3/23/02) Xavier & Christopher Daniels vs. Low-Ki & American Dragon (ECWA 4/6/02) Low-Ki vs. Tony Kozina (JAPW 5/3/02) Ian Rotten vs. Chris Hero (IWA-MS 5/4/02) Super Dragon & Spanky vs. Bobby Quance & Jardi Franz (APW 5/12/02) American Dragon vs. Low-Ki (JAPW 6/7/02) Tracy Smothers Riot (IWA-MS 6/15/02) Ian Rotten vs. Tarek The Great (IWA-MS 10/4/02) Corporal Robinson vs. Necro Butcher (Fans Bring the Weapons, Tequila Death Match) (IWA-MS 11/1/02) Chris Hero vs. Michael Todd Stratton (IWA-MS 2/8/03) Terry Funk vs. Homicide (JAPW 9/27/03) Haven't watched much of this stuff in years, so I am not sure how it all holds up, but this is a good start