Victator

A bunch of OVW has turned up on Youtube. I was surprised how much I love it. For so long I thought of it as a place WWE hid green guys, which is unfair to me. I think its because of how many guys did poorly on the main roster. Which is not fair on my part. Watching it now and it is a great old school throwback. It has a feel of an old territory show but with modern (for its time) action. Clearly defined characters and angles. If he has a product he believes in, Cornette is the best hype man. I skip around eras (how they are uploaded) and it is impressive how much the promotion grew from 99 to 05. Hopefully I do not jinx it, but it is past its twentith year and has drawn well without WWE or Cornette. I think OVW really helps Cornette's case as a good booker. From what I have read, WWE did not provide that much money beyond paying certain talent. So they were drawing money on an indy level. One thing I am curious about. Who created MNM, it was a nice update of the arrogant heel tag team. I do remember reading (In the Observer I think) that Cornette and Heyman were fighting WWE creative to let them come to the main roster with the gimmick. Anyway its worth looking for.

Tonight raised a question to me. Why was Lashley not Braun's mystery partner at Mania?

There was a rumor they tried to get him in 02 and he asked for a lot more money than WWE was willing to pay.

Bruce does not believe the rumors. But like C.S said, you don't go up to someone and ask if their daughter fornicated with a close family friend. I can't remember who, but someone asked Vince about working with Savage, Vince reportedly plainly said "I do not want to work with that man."

The rumor said it was 94, so she would have been 18. Which would be very weird if true and Vince would have every right to feel betrayed. I think it stems from that promo Savage cut in HHH in 2002 promoting his website. Where he threatened to slap Hunter and might steal Stephanie from him.

I think the collective bias of people here in regards to Moolah is obvious. If source says its true, they are quickly embraced. If a source says its not true or even says it can't be confirmed, they are quickly dismissed. I think that sort of mentality has to be opposed. Its better for the greater good. Its in your best interest to try to look at it objectively and try to find the truth. Instead of deciding you like one version and will try to make that happen. I don't really think Dave saying its debunked, means it did not happen. He has worked hard to damage his reputation on Twitter. But I think the available evidence points to the pimping claims being garbage. I kinda think it is horse shit since not one person will confirm or deny it. But the McMahons act so weird about it you could think Vince slept with Savage. But by that standard, I would think Vince personally murdered the Benoit family with how guilty he acts.

What would that even mean?

My guess would be its the Sweet Georgia Brown claim since that was the bedrock claim the Twitter mob ran to Snickers with. This is a good social experiment about mob mentality online. Since the only victim is someone who was a bad person for various other reasons, its no harm, no foul.

One time I'm right and I wasted it on this.

Mania is so long now, they might be doing the old SNME gimmick of real main event mid show. I think that is why the mixed tag was relatively early this year.

In that vein, there is a story where she got Nick Gulas to fire Jerry Lawler briefly. He was staying at a hotel above the Gulas office and he dropped a bucket of water on her, not knowing who it was. She demanded Gulas fire him, so he "fired" Lawler for a month.

Well most of the direct complaints about Moolah are/were about money. So that is very likely.

Well yeah she is a garbage heap of a person. That is not really in dispute. Her God is money. Which does not make her a human trafficker. But let me ask you this. If there was concrete evidence of Moolah pimping women out. Why has Meltzer not said anything in the last month to confirm it? Why did he not outright say something in 07? It can't be for sentimental reasons. We saw last week, Dave is motivated by facts more than anything else. So I think if there was something there, he would have said it then.

That certainly reads awful. I wish Dave would be less vague, because I think if you read between the lines it's pretty clear, but he doesn't go right out and say it. Which says something about certain promoters than Moolah. Dave was likely vague because he had nothing concrete.

When this started back in March, I more or less believed the rumors about Moolah. But as a greater light shined on it, I noticed the case was a lot weaker than I had thought. Now lets examine these claims. Apparently Sweet Georgia Brown's own family can't decide if its true. We never hear from her directly. The only common thread in Luna and Maxxine's stories are there is a creepy doctor in Arizona who liked to take pictures of women wrestlers. This has been an ongoing story for over a month now and we can't get one concrete claim of Moolah being a "pimp". If anything the evidence is getting weaker. At this point I'm more interested in why some people need the Moolah human trafficker tales to be real. The truth about Moolah is bad on its own, there is no need to exaggerate.

I guess that RVD would have asked Bruce to pick a hand pretty easily. And yeah, not listening to a "clean", WWE approved version of the podcast. I'm afraid it will take its toll on the original one. RVD said as much in a shoot and Bruce said he understood why RVD would dislike him.

I know him as the manager of the Powers Of Pain and Uncle Ivan. I really enjoyed the Mighty Wilbur feud. The back story of Red Bastien had tricked him into managing Mighty Wilbur was very amusing. I never got to see him wrestle, but I did see him a lot in magazines from the 70s. Hopefully I can see more of him.

Jake was a drunk and a drug addict. But I never heard of him doing anything like the Bulldogs did, My own father did some less than good things in his life. If some old drunk said something about him, I would defend my father verbally. But I am no going to assault some geezer. Familial Piety is stong in young Harry i see i would do the same insult t my family and i would do the same You would assault an old man you know could not defend himself? There is no honor in that.

I had only heard of Lady Maxxine having money issues with Moolah. I did not say people who heard something would or could do anything about it. Women's wrestling being a niche within a niche would make it more likely that people would hear something. But we have had people who have no reason to bash or defend Moolah, say they heard nothing of it. Lelani Kai who seems to outright hate Moolah, said she heard nothing of it. I think it would be a stretch that her son heard nothing from either his sister or his mother. Most families can't keep big secrets from one another. Again I have no attachment to Moolah. She was by all accounts a crook, (even by wrestling standards) and a selfish performer who never created new stars. But beyond that the case is very flimsy.

I could not even get thru the Eliminators match. Conrad was absolute shit. Just tell Tony John Kronus name. He is just insufferable now. Apparently Ric Flair also carried broomsticks on podcast.

Well here is the issue, wouldn't other people hear about it? How many secrets are successfully kept in wrestling? It seems like the aggressiveness toward this woman (lady being interviewed) is because she is not saying what some people want to hear. I think she is wrong about Moolah ripping off the women on money. Which is the only concrete thing we know Moolah has done. But that is a common mentality with authoritarians who back the employer no matter what. I don't think Moolah ever contributed much to women's wrestling. She was selfish and padded her own wallet while never creating a star. Wendi Richter might count, but I think you could have put any established female star in the champion role and gotten similar results, Though Moolah was such an old crone, she made a good antagonist for the Rock and Wrestling Richter. That all said, beyond Luna Vachon, we don't have a first hand account of Moolah doing the things she is being accused of. Even in Luna's version, it did not involve sex or drugs. Even Sweet Brown Sugar's story is second hand from her family. The accusations are not nearly as solid as everyone acts like they are.

So basically she's saying because Moolah had a stranglehold on women's wrestling, and froze out women who weren't part of her stable people should have been just happy they got what they got? Okay. This is a sincere question, so please do not take it as hostile. Is there anything she or one of Moolah's contemporaries could say that would change your mind at all?

I like Harry, but any variation of this makes him look bad. I understand wanting to defend your dead father's honor. But Jake is not the only person saying these things about the Bulldogs.

I love all his comeback matches. That is what makes me think he could have kept going. In some ways he reminds me of Steve Austin. Austin could have worked a safer half assed style for years, but he had pride enough in his work to retire. Did Bruno and David ever reconcile? I got the impression a lot of his problems with Vince were rooted in David having a drug problem and Bruno projecting it on to Vince.

To be fair, the big public issues he had raised were offensive storylines (this was back in about 1999) and steroid use, both of which are far better than they were. I have no doubt that there is still steroid use in wrestling, but I also have no doubt that whatever use there is is far less common, and far less condoned by promoters than it was back when Bruno fell out with the company. I think what made Bruno look like a hypocrite the most is that he claimed to be so anti-steroids when he left the WWF, but he never called out the very folks he made money with like Graham that did the very same thing, and then had no problem putting over WCW and even working for the UWF which also had plenty of steroids around. He'd simply claim that those were "real wrestling" companies and not a cartoon, but suddenly the drug issues weren't a problem for him. As long a he was benefiting from them financially, even if he never used them himself, then it was all good. It was a crusade simply against Vince because Vince had no problem replacing Bruno, making the WWF bigger than Bruno ever could have, and this made Bruno just a footnote in history. I'm glad they reconciled in recent years just like Warrior did though before passing. You are getting your history from WWE. Ego did not have anything to do with it. If it was about ego he would have kept wrestling full time past 1982. He was a big enough name and in good enough shape, that he could have went into the 90's wrestling and been a big draw.