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There is something to be said for having bad thoughts and knowing they are wrong and never acting on them. Hogan was in an intimate situation and doped up when he said what he did. That you can't find any black wrestlers who knew Hogan that will call him racist points to that. Which is something I did research a lot at the time. It does not make what he said okay. But considering how the comments were recorded and released, it seems like a thought crime.
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What Happened When with Tony Schiavone
Victator replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Okay that is pretty fucked up. I can't think of a scenario where that is okay. I have a deep gallows humor about my own life. But would never joke like that about someone else's loss. It's not even clever in a mean way. I do know how Nikita's first wife died. It was very publicly covered in the wrestling magazines at the time. Peace out Tony. -
What Happened When with Tony Schiavone
Victator replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Casio is a DJ on a local station and he is awful. I would be listening to the station on morning commute and just wanting to hear music and Casio pops in sounding like an effeminate Huckleberry Hound and I would feel more miserable than normal. Every other station is morning zoo I can tolerate but has music I don't care for or Rick and Bubba who are even worse than Casio. Can you give me the exact wording of the joke Tony made? I could not get ten minutes into this episode. -
I know pre Twitter, I would take any news from Dave at face value. Post Twitter, I need two other sources. It could be Dave is an ass. You can see glimmers of Twitter Dave in old 80's Observers.
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I think he'd be just as successful, because the Dave stuff is already old to me, and I've only seen the three Network shows. It's the other stuff - the great stories, the "insider look" into how the WWE was run and Vince's mindset, etc. - that, for me, make the show worthwhile to listen to. I think all of the Dave bashing on the show is a side-effect of Conrad mentioning him every other sentence. "Dave thought this, reported that, gave this match x amount of stars." Which I think comes from Conrad having few original thoughts in his life.
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I'd wager he rips on Dave becaus it's the only way he's relevant in 2018. Would he be known as anything other than the guy who was Brother Love if he wasn't using Dave as a means to get himself over with the internet? He was in Vince's inner circle and knows where the bodies are buried in the largest wrestling company on Earth. So yes I think he would be relevant without David Meltzer.
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In the case of Honky and the IC title, his story has never changed. With all the shoots he has done, that has stayed the same. So I believe him on that. I think with Bruce it depends on how personal something is to him. If he has no personal stake, you will more or less get the truth. The closer you get, the more mercurial the truth gets with him. Dave has lost a lot of ground with me in the last year due to his twitter act. The main thing being his cherry picking of what to respond to. If he can't do a smart ass reply his sycophant can fap to, he is not replying. Let me give you an example. For some reason, Dave was shitting on Lex Luger, saying he was always bad and just carried. Which is conventional wisdom but also bullshit if you watch his work. You know who else thought it was bullshit? 1989 Dave Meltzer, who said Lex has had too many good matches for it all to be carry jobs. I sent this to him on Twitter and got no reply. Now you can say not everyone replies to every tweet. But I found Dave would reply to me a lot. But here he is silent. I had to think Dave Meltzer will never utter the words "I was wrong and made a mistake." If he ever has, I will gladly admit I was wrong. Well as a twelve/thirteen year old in 1994, i did not think it sucked. I was very invested in finding out how Ted Dibiase had turned the Undertaker.
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Well yeah those are great pro wrestling gimmicks. They were great gimmicks. What Kane and Taker did was make them credible long term gimmicks. Brian Lee as Undertaker was always intended to be a short term gimmick. Someone impersonating as the Undertaker. You initially think it is Taker then you see the holes appearing. Paul Bearer appears and promises the real thing will appear. It worked fully as intended. I don't even know what mentioning Faux Diesel was suppose to mean.
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I also don't think the rooster is necessarily a bad gimmick. It always seemed like Taylor was playing it as a literal chicken.
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Young Ricky and Robert had boyish good looks. Not sure why Robert did not start wearing shades circa 87.
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He was not going to waste Network television (Rooster angle started on NBC) on a prank on a wrestler. They built this up for months and even did an angle with Gorilla getting attacked to put it over. Rooster/Heenan was one of the more promoted mid card matches at Mania. Of non title matches, I think only Jake/Andre got more TV time dedicated to it. Those are great gimmicks. Undead monster and fire demon.
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Bruce Pritchard said those were taped to drive traffic to the website.
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Is TNA the worst wrestling promotion in history?
Victator replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
There is this great moment when Joe stole the NWA belt from Jarrett, Christian challenged Joe to a fight and during the fight you get the schmozz finish. Angle and Joe start fighting and Jarrett runs in and reclaims the belt. Going up the aisle he looks at the belt ashamed of himself. -
Did we ever get word on the state of the Georgia footage they own? I figured it must have been bad if they were using what looked like YouTube rips on some of their DVDs. Then again, that doesn't make sense since they were filmed at Turner's TV station and he is known to be a preservationist. They were using VHS rips with disclaimers on the old 24.7 streaming service.
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I'm surprised how many people treat the women's revolution as real. A lot of this stuff shows Kayfabe is alive, it just evolved. No revolution is started by management.
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At the time I remember reading Jeff was the only guy who moved the needle at all for TNA on house shows. He would also do really good merch sales for TNA by their standards.
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What Happened When with Tony Schiavone
Victator replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Conrad has the comic timing of Kim Jong Un. -
Severn won a UFC tournament as NWA champion. UFC was doing well in 95 and even then people were spelling doom and gloom for wrestling. Sorry for the American commentary. Should have used my upload. I will review my match soon.
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About Brad Armstrong. Brad was a fine promo, not as good as his dad (which is good company) or his brother, but fine on his own. Roman never recovered from that video playing tea party.
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83 Weeks with Eric Bischoff
Victator replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I can't imagine Bischoff will tolerate Conrad's shit for long. -
At this point, I am honestly doubtful that a year will be enough time to get the stink off. what stink simply put brock is bigger draw tha roman could ever be so it makes sense ot have the belt on him as long as possible explain what stink Reigns and Brock are getting apathy from the crowds. Nobody cares what they do together, good or bad.
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If you look over Reigns TV record since the Taker match, he has lost more than won. The times he wins are very screwy because they know it will be shit on. So this is nothing new. I think at this point it comes down to a 72 year old man refusing to admit he is wrong. I think everyone else sees Braun as the future. That is why they did that crap with the kid at Mania and he won the Saudi Rumble. They are trying to put him over as number one any place they can without getting him near Reigns. Which unfortunately they work best together. Braun has his best matches and people care about Roman. Separate they are diminished.
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Of everyone on the roster AJ and Nak are my guys. AJ from the first time I saw him on NWA Wildside in 2000 and Nak since I first saw him in WWE. I really enjoyed the closing stretch of the match. But I really think the whole thing should had been a giant attitude era brawl. Speaking of, I wish I could have hacked into the feed playing bra and panties matches.
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"He's ambitiously stupid" - Why Scott Keith's new book is scary bad
Victator replied to Bix's topic in Megathread archive
I first got online full time in 2002, I read one of Keith's reviews on Kayfabe Memories. I thought he was great the first two reviews. Then I was quickly sick of him. The way he was gloating that WCW and ECW were going under was so stupid. -
Not every wrestler made himself a symbol. The Moolah stuff was comparable. What really rankled wasnt necessarily the company lionizing her as much as them having all of the current talent, who tend to stand for something very much the opposite, do it. But again, do you blame the girls for that, or do you blame the company for making them do it? Like, honestly I think regardless of what those individual women know or think about Moolah, those interviews are happening either way. They don't get to have opinions when they go against WWE. Same deal here. Any of those guys from Sami on down can have their own thoughts about Saudi Arabia and the political issues, and I'm sure they do. None of those opinions are ever going to make it to air or in public on the record. We get propaganda videos. We get company line. I certainly blame Bayley or Sasha more than I do a Liv Morgan, because the former represent something and have sort of made their career as doing as such and influence a relatively young fanbase as such. They also probably have a little more stroke. At some point you have to decide what you stand for and what you want to want to promote and to have your voice used to validate. I do too. You do too. We just have a lot less of a reach. No one HAS to be a hero, but you can't be one on day A and not on day B (especially when day B is undeniably harder) without it affecting your reputation and legacy. You can't have it both ways. That's not how life works. I doubt Sasha (Who I can't imagine gives thought things not directly affecting her) and Bayley know how Moolah treated talent. Talent in general seem to take the "Well they did not have to take the deal" stance. Do the Saudis even know what the rainbow means?