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Not necessarily a big loss in the technical sense, but it didn't seem like the Road Warriors had the same aura after getting Dusty Finished out of the tag titles at Starrcade 87. I remember at the time among the wrestling fans I knew it was a foregone conclusion that they were just going to murder Arn and Tully, not even a doubt. Not to mention the show was in their hometown and it just seemed line a no brainer. When they didn't get the belts it was like everyone was like "man, fuck this company" and started watching the WWF more. Not saying it was the worst decision Crockett made in that time period (or on that show for that matter), but for my small unscientific data sample it was the beginning of the end for JCP.

By all accounts the WWE-Bruno spat is 100% on Bruno's side. Vince loves the guy, and why not since he's the one his dad built his company on. Bruno's always spoken of highly when mentioned on DVDs or on 24/7, he's the one that is holding a grudge most likely because he seems to blame Vince for David hating him. Also I still think Vince wouldn't work with Savage not because he believed the Steph stories, but because he knew everyone else did and Vince probably thought it would make him look like a bitch.

Something I always wondered when watching that angle play out: Nikolai was supposed to be down on his luck and poor to the point he wore the same suit all the time, yet he had ringside tickets to WWF shows?

My longest lasting memory was in the letters section of (I think) PWI during Brother Love's run in the WWF. The person writing the letter was SO ANGRY at Brother Love's antics that he wrote "That preacher will be the downfall of the Federation if he keeps his garbage up!" Now long after I figured out about wrestling, I still thought the Apter mags were on the up and up. That letter was when I realized perhaps some of them were "enhanced" a little. Funny enough, I listened to an interview with Apter on WOL or some similar outlet where someone asked him about the letters, and he said for the most part about 75% were actual fan letters and the rest were plants to get someone over as a heel or face to the readers.

I'd say 3/4ths the reason no one gets over anymore is because everyone does even-steven booking which means everyone gets their wins back. There's ego involved no doubt, but guys like Hogan or the Road Warriors hardly ever lost and that helped make them big deals. Hell, I think even Goldberg would probably admit he wasn't the best wrestler in the world but when WCW had him come out and destroy people every week he became a big deal. A lot has changed in wrestling, but if you push a guy and don't have him lose half of the time to whoever he beat the week before, it's amazing how often it works to get them over.

but isn't the TV mindset that wrestling fans are all poor and stupid so there's no point advertising your product on WWE tv?

I'm pretty sure JR has been pretty good with the money he's made in the wrestling business, and even if he wasn't his sauce business seems to be going pretty good for him. That being the case, why does he stay associated with a company that seems to devote an oddly disproportionate amount of time to fucking with him when he's not even a regular TV character anymore? It's almost like JR has battered woman syndrome and can't leave them.

Really? I've never watched one second of this show but even I know she was absolutely clueless at wrestling and only stayed as long as she did because she had some name recognition. The gif of her doing a faceplant trying to do a front bump was on every message board on the internet. Even if she had a shred of ability, I wouldn't trust WWE to do anything with her that didn't involve them revealing she's Mohammad Hassan's long lost sister who declared fatwa on the other divas.

SLL makes a good point. Say bringing in Averno works and gets Sin Cara over like nuts, then what? He still can't match up with anyone in the entire company other than Rey, and they certainly wouldn't want to pair those two up since it would be obvious they want him to be New Rey.

I'm not knocking WWE for making the move, they invested in Sin Cara so why not get a guy who makes him look good? The only guy they had on the roster who could have had a chance of working lucha style had an absolute shitburger of a match with him on the last PPV so they pretty much had to get someone else. Just saying it sucks for CMLL since their business has been down, they lose another upper level guy, and it pretty much just blew the finish for the big match they had to go up against Triplemania (Averno vs La Mascara mask match but who knows if anyone paying to see the match reads the internet).

cubsfan is quick to point out on his blog that this is in fact not a raid on CMLL, but when you go out and sign two of their top guys and are actively looking to sign others I don't know what else you'd call it.

Searching for "lucha" on the cable guide lead me to find two new shows: WWC, which is kind of sad to watch now, and what appears to be the weekly card from Arena Coliseo in Monterrey. The Monterrey show has a ring with a dirty white canvas which makes it look like Memphis and lucha had a weird baby.

from WO.com: I wonder if CMLL will end up like early 80s AWA when Vince decided he wanted 3/4ths of their talent pool. AAA survived all their guys going to WCW in the 90s, so who knows.

Four weeks into the build-up, at Great American Bash, Bischoff asked the question directly "Do you work for the WWF ?" Hall and Nash answer "No." Pretty sure they did that because the lawsuit was already filed, and they thought doing that would end it.

The funny thing is that they had to have done business with Savage at some point since they wanted to do a movie about Gorgeous George and he owns all the rights.

Seemed pretty solid if they were maintaining they were presenting Hall and Nash as invading WWF guys. I mean, WCW was at least smart enough to never mention WWF by name but it was pretty clear the intent was to portray them as agents from the competition. Even the very first time Hall came out with the "you want a war, you got one" line and how they avoided giving either of them a name (which served to not get them in trouble legally by using WWF gimmick names, but also allowed fans to just assume these guys were still Razor and Diesel). I mean, yes someone in WCW should have had enough brains to at least make a semblance of an argument in their favor, but it's not the first time we've seen WWF Legal use their voodoo powers to make opposing council forget how to do their jobs.

It wasn't about Hall and Nash playing characters similar to their WWF gimmicks, it was that they were very clearly portrayed as being sent from "up North" to take over WCW. That's what got them sued, the impression that they were WWF employees appearing on WCW TV.

It's funny that for all the shit he takes for his booking, Dusty Rhodes was pretty much the only one to book tag teams (actual teams as opposed to two top singles together) as main eventers in the last 30 or so years. Hell, even the US tag team titles were treated seriously for a few years, which is more than WWE can say about their titles.

Wasn't the rumor at one time that Luke Williams and Cary were an item? If anything, it seems every promotion Gabe's involved in seems to end up with a lot of young prettyboy type wrestlers who seem to be at the core of rumors like this *cough* *cough* Dragon Gate USA *cough* *cough*.

I assume Dave was joking. John Considering his follow up was "is the weather bad?" I would say he wasn't. That would tend to indicate that he was joking. No way that he's been a friend of Alverez for more than a a decade and fails to know the weather sucks. John If he was joking, it was the most deadpan joke ever. Even Bryan kind of stopped for a beat as if to say "wait, is he being serious?" before explaining that yes, there are a lot of coffee shops in Seattle and the weather is normally cool and rainy.

I assume Dave was joking. John Considering his follow up was "is the weather bad?" I would say he wasn't.

This is probably more likely to happen in WWE than in most companies since the inner circle all travel in the same plane. According to the tales of past WWE writers on Lagana's podcasts it seems that the top guys from each brand (which now I believe are Hayes and Gewirtz) travel with Vince, Steph, and Hunter. An accident involving that plane would take out pretty much all the decision makers on the creative side of the company leaving only any McMahon family not on board and the bulk of the writing staff. I would probably guess if that happened Shane would come back and handle things at least until his and/or Steph's kids reach the age where they decide if they want to be in the business or not. Either that or WWE folds/gets sold to an outside entity.

I just think it's funny that the company based on WRESTLING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS has as an announcer the guy who spent most of his WWF tenure being called a hermaphrodite by the Rock. I guess Todd Pettingill's price was too high. Also as far as the people who are claiming ROH is the #2 company in the world, it struck a familiar chord with me. I'm a baseball fan, and as you can tell by the words under my username, I'm in Pittsburgh. If you're at all familiar with sports, you know what that means. If you're not, here's the condensed version: The Pirates are the local baseball team, they have been around for 125 years and had a rich history of winning up until the mid 90s. They have had 18 losing years in a row, some of them have been quite horrendous. This season they have a new coaching staff and are off to a better start, they still probably won't finish with a winning season but there's reason to be excited for the first time in decades. What does this have to do with anything wrestling related? In my opinion there's a lot of lapsed wrestling fans who were turned off by the end of WCW and are looking for anything to get excited over that could possibly give real competition to WWE. Even though this deal has obvious flaws to anyone looking at it objectively for more than 2 seconds, as stated people want to believe. You take someone who's still a fan but had all the passion beaten out of them by numerous years of what they consider a substandard presentation, and they will see reason for excitement in nearly anything that could possibly change the status quo.

Even if that's true, Bret knocked him on his ass with a punch in front of most of the locker room after Montreal and Vince got over that. Also another thing about the Savage/Steele feud that surprisingly gets forgot about a lot is that George played a role in the finish of the WMIII match.

I don't doubt he saved his money. However, the idea that he didn't come back all these years because he saved well rings hollow since there were stories not that long ago that Lanny was trying to play the middleman in an attempt to have WWE do something with Savage.