JerryvonKramer

Denizens of the NWA, Andre the Giant is now considering bookings for the next six months. The WWF will consider draft picks in exchange for dates on Andre (for NWA members only). Many thanks, VJM

Are you the same Aaron who made the YouTube video about the top ten hash matches?

Yeah it's randomly on disc 13.

Here's Ivan vs. Tenryu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7BhuQE6Gu0 Back later for more. Look forward to seeing the reviews

I like this idea Bill. Can I throw out multiple requests? I've reviewed a lot of matches recently and it is hard not to want to pick one of them for comparison, both ones I've been high on and ones I've been low on. Always really curious to see what someone else would make of something you know? Anyway, if I can throw out a few let me know and I'll come back with some. For starters though, the completely random Ivan Koloff vs. Genichiro Tenryu (1/3/90) match I watched earlier.

I seem to remember that Will is high on them. No one seems to have listed the Taker matches here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/30977-your-34-matches/ But I can see some of the Jericho ones listed.

"PWO Fantasy Draft"

That's something for Kris and Grimmas to decide. I'm guessing he's listed there because Ellering was legit their manager and travelled with them.

That means Kris didn't include him either, unless by some miracle he escaped "select all --> paste"

My understanding is that I am a big outlier on the Taker matches and everyone else really likes them. I really dislike them. I can't remember which one it was but I gave it like **

My feeling on GMT is that there's no easy answer to it: 1. Ring generals and the skills required to be one are underrated by the community -- see DiBiase vs. Bossman debate on this. To my way of thinking it is totally bonkers that people consider that even a debate to have. "Yeah but Bossman had better matches in WWF!" To me, that is where the output argument falls down. DiBiase might have got a formulaic in WWF, but he was at all times until he hurt his neck a "better worker" than Bossman. And I like Bossman. I just think fundmental skills should count for something. 2. For GWE purposes it is impossible to ignore. At some point when discussing Flair or Jumbo or Misawa or whoever, you have to bring up the laundry list. And at some point, the list becomes too significant to ignore -- this is my key argument with Dory. He was simply part of too many good, very good and great matches to ignore. Even if he had limitations as a worker, his career "output" is significant. I am a bigger fan of Dory than most. But it can work in the other direction. I am probably lower on Bob Backlund than any other person who has bothered to go back and watch that era of WWF, and his list of great matches is still impossible to ignore. Some people might say the same thing about Shawn Michaels -- I just happen to not even think those matches are "great". 3. Great matches are one thing, but you also have to consider what happens within each match. This is actually something people do with Dory -- they say "oh yeah, all those matches were great DESPITE Dory, it was all Terry, it all his opponent" or whatever. This is what I was trying to get at with Kobashi in 93 too. But this is something else to consider in the overall picture. In short: - A guy's core skills - Their number of great matches - What they do within matches Those are three different things but all of them should come into consideration for GWE, or when comparing two guys. And I think too often the first and the third go missing.

I think Jacques Rogeau Sr too. I think the Montreal promotion was always owned by "The Rogeau Brothers".

Don't be ridiculous Matt. jdw is about to tell you they've been using the term since at least the late 80s. Heck, they were using it when he was watching a match with Meltzer and Yohe in Tokyo in 1993! I jest, I jest!

How big of a factor do you think Dr Death's size was? Does it have to be a 300lber?

Let's see if I lose another hard drive ...

Wasn't it Jean Rogeau?

About an 82% upgrade on Backlund.

Was Coach John Heath still around in 83? I know at some point Buddy Colt did colour.

Where does the "theory" part of it come from? It doesn't seem like much of a theory to me.

World Wrestling Federation Owner: Vince McMahon Sr. Shareholders: Phil Zacko, Gorilla Monsoon Announcers: Vince McMahon Jr., Gorilla Monsoon, Dick Graham, Kal Rudman Referees: Dick Woehrle, Dick Kroll, Mario Savoldi Ring announcers: Howard Finkel, Gary Michael Cappetta, Joe McHugh Roster: Andre the Giant Ricky Steamboat Managers: Bobby Heenan Loan arrangements: Sgt. Slaughter - 7 dates Greg Valentine - 7 dates Larry Zbyszko - 7 dates Tully Blanchard - 7 dates Roddy Piper - 7 dates Ted DiBiase - 4 dates Dick Murdoch - 4 dates Ric Flair - 1 date Bret Hart - 3 months of TV tapings Nick Bockwinkel - ongoing

Ricky Steamboat is my pick.

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I think Tenta skews this whole thing. For some reason Grimmas thought he was comparable. I think he's a bad example for the wider point which is: "Williams could have been replaced by a similiar worker and in that same spot they could have had good run with some great matches". And then the question is "ok, if that's true, well then who?"

A typical Tenta match: - Come in, stomp around to make the Earthquake - no sell shoulder barge to establish he is a monster - some offense, such as forearms, butt splashes, corner splashes, or a simple dump out of the ring - hope spot by babyface where Tenta sells for the first time - Tenta cuts off babyface and continues the heat sequence, possibly he is tired at this point and so sits in a chinlock or applies a bear hug - babyface makes a comeback out of chinlock / bearhug and gets a nearfall on the big man - Tenta comes back, maybe with a standing scoop powerslam and we go into the finish ... - Earthquake splash if he's going over, count out if he's losing or winning against Hogan