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As much as I would not be a wrestling fan now if I had dipped in at this point of Raw and Nitro (and both shows suck more than they don't right now), I find Vince's humor mostly falls flat here. Yes, that whole woman's shoe thing is beyond ridiculous and well-played here. I would argue that very often Vince's shows, for reasons not dealing with the talent, are equal or worse than Nitro more often than not and better maybe once. Maybe you clean up your own house before shit-talking the other guy's house.
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I was listening to a podcast the other day (can't remember which) and they mentioned that some of the non-Lucas folks who had been at LucasFilm from the start, his wife, etc. had remarked that every idea he had was 20% a good idea, he just needed people to strip away the 80% of the idea that made it bad. George Lucas was Vince Russo......
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I tried watching the 2024 product. They seem to have embraced the idea they need wrestling on their show. At the same time there is too much "entertainment" present while that is going on and it tends to hurt the matches. Not only that, everyone seems to be working in a way that is both sloppy and yet not impactful-looking at all. It's like they are performing some kind of overly rehearsed choreography with no kind of meaning to it.
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I'd say Meltzer throwing shade at Dutch while he was hospitalized is pretty despicable.
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[1996-02-26-WWF-Raw] Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels & Roddy Piper
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in February 1996
A lot of this was really awkward. But most babyface vs. babyface stuff is without some hint of a turn. The being said, both Shawn and Diesel ahve been acting more than heelish enough to turn despite the fact that the crowd has failed to notice on both counts. So strange. -
This was a great TV match for sure. I am with whoever said the finish hurt it, but a lot of the offense in this was crisp and well-executed. Plus that DDT by Arn.
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So this high heel thing has gone way too far and needs to stop. I will say this is better than the rematch on the 2/19 Nitro by light years. If you thought Hogan's offense was way too heelish here, thats all he did besides punching in the rematch. I understand how Hogan got over in the first place, I just wish that at this point he understood it. He would sell and get sympathy before making a big comeback. Hard to do when you get 90% of the offense and you don't have a varied OR babyface style offense. Also, Hogan and Savage bullying Heenan is stupid. The heel Horsemen clearing out Bischoff and Mongo...they are heels and supposed to be bullies, especially to people who can't fight back. Hogan and savage are supposed to be the good guys. From what I've seen on Raw and Nitro the main event babyfaces are suffering from "being a heel is cooler than being a babyface"-itis before the NWO starts.
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[1996-02-11-WCW-Superbrawl VI] Brian Pillman vs Kevin Sullivan (Strap)
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in February 1996
I kind of get this in the Pillman character sense, but it really set off a lot of terrible things. The Arn/Sullivan stuff was awesome while it lasted.- 10 replies
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Total agreement with Soup. Not because what Vince is saying about Ted or anyone else is false, but for how tasteless they are. Not to mention that half of what Vince is saying about Ted overall could easily be applied to himself. On a related note, very weak episode of Raw. Nothing really landed.
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I'd agree this had a different feel to the WCW hotshot matches. Nash got put over big by both guys, which might be why. It seems like the WCW attempts for this kind of deal leave way too many excuses and go on a little too long. Here they keep it pretty short and sweet, leaving you wanting more.
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[1996-02-05-WWF-Raw] Shawn Michaels & Diesel vs Davey Boy Smith & Yokozuna
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in February 1996
This match highlighted for me the great things about Michaels and why I don't like him at all at the exact same time. He takes 2 ridiculously overdone bumps. And, if I'm being 100% fair, they fit in the WWF wrestling style. I still fucking hate them. As much as I hate Kidman's powerbomb counter thingy or anytime anybody does the backflip lariat bump. It exposes the business. And often enough it ends up not really helping the guy on offense. Edit: Right before this I watched the main event tag match for Nitro and called Luger piledriving Hawk to no effect a minute before it happened. Yet another one of these. Since when did Luger consistently do a piledriver, much less as his second move in a match? The Yoko floor bump after the superkick I could make an argument for as a positive use of the same thing, as it makes the superkick look absolutely massive. Overall a fun tag that ties together a few weeks of (mostly bleh) stories well enough. I'm not super down on Diesel, it seems like he is motivated and lays his stuff in. Davey by this point doesn't do much for me and Yoko is mostly a one-note gimmick. Not his fault, as he seems like a guy who could go. Just he wasn't expected to do much beyond be big at this point.- 10 replies
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Very cool Raw match that was completely unexpected. I tend to agree that this match has better structure than most WCW cruiserweight matches. In1997/98 I would not have cared.
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Okay, so Savage has been wrestling every week with a messed up arm and nobody has taken advantage. Not even the dirtiest player in the game last week or Benoit, a supposed technician, this week. Kinda bad match layout if you ask me. That bump by Benoit on the missed tope was pretty tremendous/scary. Why is he getting so much of this match? Even if Savage likes the guy, there are better ways of making him look strong. Post-match stuff was pretty great. Something I have not thought about the Hogan/Flair stuff in the past 3 weeks. One question though. With Sullivan turning on Arn last week, how are his guys still cool with Flair? Or is that what the unicorn guy was trying to tell the Giant?
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High heeled shoe for the finish, reversing the "women are Flair's weakness" play. Beyond that this is Hogan/Flair by the numbers and not particularly inspiring. Also, first match? Since when was Hogan not main event regardless of titles? I guess he was feeling a little guilty here.
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While I am with Loss that many of the lines were indeed spot on, this is just petty, whiny bullshit. On top of that, it's petty, whiny bullshit about the same thing the WWF was known for. If WCW has gone on air bitching about how WWF was doing stuff that wasn't good for family TV in 1999/2000, it would pretty much be the same thing.
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[2014-10-29-Lucha Underground] Johnny Mundo vs Prince Puma
dawho5 replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in October 2014
I actually enjoyed this match as a respectful cruiserweight babyface match. They did flippy stuff, but did it in a way that didn't make it seem dumb or like that was why they were doing it. They teased a lot of spots (some that never came) with a few of them not coming for multiple teases. The post-match angle was...okay, I get it. You just had two guys put on a really good show with a pretty style, so have some thuggish looking dudes come in and brawl ugly, bring in a big guy to do a big guy thing and look brutish. Now your two small, athletic guys have to use technique, speed and guile to overcome great odds. But still, if that's where you go right away I am a little suspect of your storytelling chops until some other ways of getting the main story across come into play. -
So answer me a question. Was it that fans really liked the idea of complete asshole babyfaces in 1996? Or was it that the people that WCW and WWF were pushing were complete assholes? Shawn is so heelish here it makes absolutely no sense how over he is. Corny turning things around on him towards the end kind of made it worth it, but why come out without Owen or somebody to back him up?
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Great debut for Vader. At first I was wondering if he should have gone over the top to the floor like he did, but what came after made it perfectly fine. The post-match stuff was good with the crazy stiff powerbomb to a ref and trying to murder Gorilla. In my mind I heard Gorilla on commentary criticizing Vader's technique while putting himself over and it made the beating he got seem deserved.
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[1996-01-22-WCW-Nitro] Sting & Lex Luger vs Harlem Heat
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in January 1996
Stevie Ray, for all of his real life badassery, didn't ever figure out how to be exciting in the ring. And him taking most of the offense is not great. I will echo praise for the Booker axe kick and the Sting/Luger stuff up to that point. The Sting/Booker double crossbody was also pretty good. Can someone explain to me how Nick Patrick didn't see all of those coins rolling around the ring?- 11 replies
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I didn't love the confusion of the bell before Savage even dropped the elbow, but it was a fun Flair/Savage match. The hotshotting is kinda ridiculous at this point with Savage having wrestled Luger 4 times recently now this? Post-match I did love Savage making sure to kill every attempt by Hogan to usurp his moment.
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