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[1992-12-20-UWFi-Double Takada] Yoshihiro Takayama vs Hiromitsu Kanehara
GOTNW replied to Loss's topic in December 1992
UWFi rules are explained at the beginning of every BUSHIDO episode (UWFi shows with english commentary). I always forget the details about points loss but I think it's: rope break-1 suplex/throw-2 knockdown-3 knockdown via suplex/throw-4 http://www.scientificwrestling.com/public/department72.cfm just pick an episode and watch it from the start if you want more insight into the rules -
After watching years of bad US indy wrestling and the Pentagon/Fenix match from Oudou I've really grown to appreciate how smoothly CMLL guys set up their highspots with their bumping. And they do have incredible highspots-Lee does one of the best Suicide Dives ever here, just crushing Tiger and slamming him onto the barricade. Also really liked the early matwork, Dragon Lee has showed he can hang with guys like Virus and Negro Casas when they take it there, he should be fine in 10-15 years when he won't be able to do as much as he does now. In the mean time we can enjoy him nearly killing himself on a Dropkick. This had a badass pinning sequence, you're used to seeing the Benoit/Malenko one over and over again so it does feel very fresh when you get completely different holds used and have no idea what's coming next. ***1/2
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You can imagine my joy when the first thing Kamaitachi did was stomp on Rey Horus' head in the corner. Horus kicking out of his own pin was not so cool. He looked pretty unpolished here, messing up some sequences and dragging Kamaitachi down. This reached an incredibly high peak with brutal chairshots, breathtaking dives etc. and then just kinda faded away before the finish. ***1/4
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YEAH TELL 'EM.
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I'm not sure I'm fit to answer this due to my age but honestly I've come to the conclusion putting your faith into wrestling booking is insane if you watch as much wrestling as I do. The majority of wrestling fans still care way more about things that aren't explicitly great matches. Not that they don't value that but if you go to reddit or wrestling forum or IDK, facebook posts, the most un-niche places that have wrestling discussion you can imagine, someone being over/under pushed will get way more discussion than a great match. It may just be that the format of the stories has changed and become more interactive.
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That's a pretty great point about Dandy's character. I think OJ has been critical of some of his revenge spots (the La Fiera hair match comes to mind) but it was always something that stood out to me with him, that they never felt forced or that he was just acting like a prick. His desperation selling after he lost a fall in the Espanto Jr. mask match and children started coming to his aid and checking on him would have to be up there.
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I am so bored of some of these discussions and comparisons, I swear we've had ten threads on the variation of "who is the best out of these All Japan wrestlers" (sorry Elliot your thread is actually interesting becuase it does add some other candidates into the mix). We could use more direct comparisons between the top lucha guys probably. Would anyone take Dandy over Santo? He certainly has an argument on peak. I actually had him higher on GWE but think that was a terrible mistake on my part in hindsight as I hadn't watched some Santo matches that completely changed my perception of him and I now see as some of his best like the Espanto Jr. title match from 1988, one of the LA Park matches etc. Actually watching the 1996/1997 CMLL I noticed Dandy would sometimes drop selling to play to the crowd (it bugged me a lot in the famed hair match). I've liked Dandy into the 2000s but he doesn't reach the highs of Santo who has all time great stuff like the Blue Panther Monterrey matwork classics, LA Park bloodbaths, the insane Perro Aguayo brawl etc. It'd be interesting to see how they compare in 2010s, I've heard someone mention Santo had great stuff in TxT, I don't think I've seen any of that and Dandy has been great in the Satanico matches. Right now I would take Santo pretty easily
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This was surprisingly fun. Ryback mocking the crowd by using Punk's corner knee and taunt was amusing and I really liked the finish with them punching each other out on the mat though the horrible camera work made it almost unwatchable.
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Nothing match, Kalisto did some fun spots even though Breeze was not a good base, matches like these make me wish WWE had proper enhancement talent. They might as well drop Breeze on their next cut.
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I like 2 out of these 4 guys so I didn't expect to be enchanted with it but holy cow it was an awesome match. Kofi goes to cut off Jericho moments before Jericho makes the hot tag but Jericho actually reverses him! That deviation from the formula of WWE tag matches was the first sign of this being something special, and from there on it was just insane. It says something when I'm biting on nearfalls in a match that happened two moths ago, I was shocked how perfectly handled literally every single big spot was, from Jericho throwing himself and Kofi onto Big E to break the pin, Big E pulling Kofi outside the ring after the Springboard 450, so many awesome sequences and all of them were executed perfectly. Major props to whomever put this together. ***3/4
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Hey! I liked this a lot! It started out like your regular TV match but actually ended up being quite good, like a PWG match condensed into TV match time without it seeming like they were just trying to get all of their shit in. Pretty insane you get stuff like a Shooting Star Plancha on a throwaway TV match. I liked Neville's prolonged kick combo and his German Suplex bump was insane, usually when you have guys flip all the way it looks more like them doing a standing moonsault over the other guy than an actual German Suplex, here it looks like Neville was centimeters away from breaking his neck but it is ultimately a safe bump which is completely insane and something only a freak athlete like him could do. I do not care much for Owen's, he is pretty much a poor man's Chris Jericho, his trash talk is not as good and he doesn't have a scarf or a cool jacket, he did serve as a good base for Neville here and can definitely keep up with him in spot-fu. ***
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I think it's pretty undeniable at this point that Triple H is a pretty self-conscious worker. I don't even think that's an inherent negative honestly. I liked the Reigns match more than pretty much anyone else and I was starting to wonder if the micromanaging and his status of a demigod within the company would finally allow Triple H to turn into a good worker. They did not. This was boring, played to the cheapest instincts of the most shallows wrestling crowd. Uninteresting and very basic quasi-matwork that was all heatless headlocks that they transitioned away from only when the crowd started chanting their names out of boredom after failed CM Punk chants. Triple H's move-PAUSE-move-PAUSE formula was as apperent here as it ever was. A lot of stuff they did was rough around the edges and they relied on uninteresting cliche transitions to get through the match. The crowd will pop for 2.9999 counts though, so there's that. *3/4
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Average TV match. I liked Miz cheapshotting Owens and his sneaky Small Package but that was cancelled out by them messing up a few spots and a weird sequence that consisted of like 5 clotheslines. **1/2
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This could've been an amazing match but it being modern puro this is about as good as you're going to get. I liked the beginning with Kamitani getting some shine before Ishikawa took over. Then Kamitani makes his comeback and they, uhm, do stuff for a couple of minutes before transitioning into the finishing stretch. It seems fine. My biggest problem with the match was how they connected the dots. You have Ishikawa ragdolling Kamitani on the outside, throwing him into the chairs, dumping him with a brutal Bodyslam, yet he's kind of limping for no reason, not really acting like you'd want a monster in control to. You don't really actively think of how stuff like how a wrestler walks affect the match quality but even that plays a part. I think they could've milked control segments and the comeback better and that the match definitely could've used more struggle and purpose in the middle. The finishing stretch is really great, as every move gains more purpose, every transition and nearfall holds more weigth, everything is more significant, they build to stuff better and the action improves. ***3/4
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I'm torn on Endo, I really liked how he sold bodyslamming Ishikawa early on and he generally did a good job of selling his stuff but too much of his offence required elaborate set-ups which would just completely take me out of the match. Ishikawa relies too much on the spot where his opponent slips from the Fire Thunder Driver as a transition. My favourite thing here was probably Ishikawa grabbing Endo by the throat and slamming him into the corner, I hope he does that in other matches as well. **3/4
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Nominations: Shuji Ishikawa vs Hideki Suzuki (BJW 4/9) http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/34403-shuji-ishikawa-vs-hideki-suzuki-bjw-492016/ Negro Casas vs Rey Hechicero (Noches de Coliseo 4/24) http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/34349-negro-casas-vs-rey-hechicero-noches-de-coliseo-4242016/ Dragon Lee, Stuka Jr., Volador Jr. vs Gran Guerrero, Kamaitachi, Negro Casas (CMLL 2/19) http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/34315-dragon-lee-stuka-jr-volador-jr-vs-gran-guerrero-kamaitachi-negro-casas-cmll-2192016/ LA Park & Super Parka & El Hijo del LA Park vs Rush & Pierroth & Toscano (Lucha Elite, 4/27)-YES Meiko Satomura vs. Aja Kong (Sendai Girls 4/8)-YES see MDA for comments
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This match was totally badass. Hideki Suzuki is a Billy Robinson trainee and someone I always love to see make tape and Ishikawa is one half of my favourite modern tag team and has also grown into a really strong singles worker in the last few years. I liked the matwork here a lot, you have Suzuki using his skill by applying cravates, leglocks, wrenching on Ishikawa's fingers, doing neat takedowns and transitions, Ishikawa can't really compete with him in that so he'll put him in an Iron Claw and grab him and just throw him off himself to combat Suzuki's superior ability. Some really great stuff happens outside of the ring as Ishikawa replies to Suzuki lowering the middle rope and asking him to come back to the ring by sitting in a chair and challenging Suzuki back, they proceed to just insanely stiff each other with elbows and it looks much more like the finish of that one Black Terry/Hechicero match than modern puro elbow exchanges. Ishikawa drops Suzuki on the apron in a absolutely disturbing and disgusting manner, I think Roderick Strong did something like that to like Mike Bailey last year in PWG, imagine that spot but even more violent looking. They get back into the ring and continue to produce greatness, Suzuki throws some beautiful suplexes and Ishikawa is just uberviolent, they do a great job of teasing comebacks only to cut them off in satisfying and unexpected ways and while they sometimes do the puro pop-up after being hit with a move they always sell the imact of the move once the sequence finishes and they never temporarily "no-sell" anything huge. Finish is something I've seen botched so many times I thought they were just going to screw it up differently here or it wasn't going to be the finish but IT WAS! And it was done right! And it looked really great and totally caught me off guard. ***3/4
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Yoshihisa Uto is a Big Japan young boy most famous for pissing off Jun Akiyama in a tag match. Judging by this match he is also the proud owner of the world's worst diving back elbow. I watched this mainly to see Big Dog stiff him-and the match delivered on that part, but they did work it more evenly than I would've preferred. I didn't care much when Uto was in control but it did Ishikawa an excuse to just blast him with brutal strikes in the finishing stretch and bust out his amazing indian deathlock-repeated shoot headbutts finisher which is appearantly now permanently entrenched in his move set. He also did a running shoot headbutt here which came out of nowhere and looked amazing. To Uto's credit he did do a couple off cool Lariat variations here, including a Lariat/STO which will always have a soft spot in my heart. ***
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This was fun as expected, it's always a joy to watch Big Dog vs smaller guys and Shinobu is a pretty good in the role of a junior who will just die but can pull off comebacks with insane highspots. This wasn't the greatest thing ever but there was a lot of good stuff in there like Ishikawa using his strength to brush off any serious attempts of obtaining control Shinobu had and the general intensity Ishikawa brings in any match he's in. One of my favourite moments in this match was when Shinobu hit Ishikawa with a series of elbows and was about to run the ropes to do the classic spot where he takes the bigger man down but Ishikawa just grabbed him from behind and killed him with a sleeper suplex. I wasn't big on Shinobu pulling the top rope to transition into offence and didn't really buy his Asai Moonsault, at least kick the guy in the face before jumping on him. Some stuff was a little rough around the edges but the finish was excellently build, Shinobu uses an Armbar as his flash finish and has beaten the biggest names in Big Japan with it and I loved how they tied that in to Ishikawa getting more frustrated and just killing Shinobu with shoot headbutts for the finish. A strong ***.
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Hawk climbing on the titantron and threatening to commit suicide was most certainly a thing that happened in real life and aired on TV and not something I daydreamed, right?
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I have no idea what's going on in DDT ever so I'm trying to figure out how the short match time figures into the match and whether Takeshita is one of those young guys DDT gave title shots or whatever but actually isn't that high on the pecking order and could still get run over by Big Dog and end up freaking out when I realise he actually has a chance of winning. A very exciting four minute sprint for sure.
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I guess this is why people go to All Japan house shows these days, to hear Shadow Explosion live and see young lions pay their dues. I really liked the spot with Nomura grabbing a waistlock and Ishikawa trying to counter it with strikes only to push Nomura into the corner when he failed to counter it the aforementioned way, looked like something that could be milked out in a big match with a significant size difference. I was surprised how much he gave Nomura, a couple of suplexes and even let him take him down with repeated shoulder blocks, Ishikawa has good enough offence that he can afford to give a guy a little more without losing credibility as a monster, this was very fun and totally makes my list of 2016 *** matches you probably won't watch but would enjoy if you did.
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Both guys tend to dominate matches due to their size/weight. This could've easily been just another completely serious evenly worked match from the country of Japan in the year 2016. Instead Hama here is presented as the one dominating, and his character is almost Fujiwara-esque, in that he is ostensibly but will still crack jokes at times. Ishikawa's selling of Hama's corner Hip Attack had me in stitches. Ishikawa is of course big enough that he can believably come back just by doing what he normally does, still that he used it to as a means of comeback instead of domination made it feel very refreshing and he busted out a bunch of awesome headbutts, lariats and knees in order to do so. Hama's fat man offence is great. ***1/4-***1/2
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It shouldn't be so hard for japanese wrestling to be good. Look at this match. It didn't exactly set the world on fire but it was really fun. No one did anything stupid. Ishikawa and Daichi start striking each other, Ishikawa strikes Daichi out because he is bigger, Daichi transitions into offence by utilizing kicking and continues to rely on kicks and running moves to take the bigger man down, Ishikawa continues cutting him off with brutal knees and eventually hits one too many. That was 8 minutes of my time used well thank you BJW. ***-***1/4
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Least Favorite Wrestling Move/Strike in Pro Wrestling
GOTNW replied to TheU_2001's topic in Pro Wrestling
Torture Rack and every quasi-submission that involves one wrestler picking the other up and then doing absolutely nothing to him. Atlantis' version is the only one that looks good.