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When it comes to ‘83 I think all we have footage of is the famous hair match with Sangre Chicana & a trios where he’s teaming with Espanto & Satanico against Chicana, La Fiera & Mocho Cota.

And if you're looking for something specific from Portland that isn't in mmcoor's link above try here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm1Agigv7k8z5EzSemcNSVA

He does more in that match than he gave himself credit for, but I guess its a better story to say he was on his back for most of the match

The age bar is definitely two low, 7 of the people removed from the ballot this year for getting too few votes are people still actively adding to their cases, it's silly.

I think it's very obvious that Harwood/Dawson is the better of the two. I legitimately can't think of a long-term tag team with a bigger gap between the better and worse performer, even with the High Fliers it's not as clear that Brunzell is better than Greg Gagne.

If you think she was good in that 1st TNA run from 2010 to 2013 fair enough, but to me she was no different at that time to the other ex-WWE performers (Mr Anderson/Kennedy, RVD etc) in there doing nothing worth watching

I think it's worth pointing out that before Jetlag posted we had no discussion of Mickie James, and now we have at least some among the arguing about what should and shouldn't be posted. Anyway Mickie James isn't good enough for my top 100. Huge portions of her career where she did nothing of note, highs that are good but not all-time classics, competent but not outstanding when it comes to execution, only very rarely does she do as Grimmas says and "really play up drama to make very emotional matches"

There's two of those matches, do you know which one they were talking about?

So in a way, Blink-182 drew the most people to non-WWF wrestling shows in the US during 2001

I wanna talk about this part of the post, cos I'm not on the same page here. Triple H to me is clearly a top 100 guy, Orton is an edge case. And I don't think Bryan ever had anything resembling a real great match with The Miz or Bray Wyatt.

Maybe someone else knows better but I think you'd have to contact Will/Goodhelmet, you can DM him on here (although I dunno if he's still active here), or on reddit i assume this is him . If you can't get your hands on the actual sets you can see what was on them under the "DVDVR Best of the 1980s Voting Results" section on this site, the overwhelming majority of the matches are available on youtube, dailymotion or theditch.

God I love the Kyle O'Reilly match during that run.

Orton was the best wrestler in WWE by a mile, by far his best year. But I think Hiroshi Tanahashi had a better year & maybe Davey Richards did too

It’s so clearly Shawn Michaels to me. 3 matches on PPV that in my mind are true classics, vs Diesel, Mankind & the iron man with Bret. He also had Sid’s best ever match at Survivor Series

95% chance Serena Deeb will not make my list but I wanna post this match that I really like, where Deeb carries a kid who'd been wrestling for less than 2 years and makes her look like she's great

Thanks for that I should've thought of that

This might be an annoying thing to ask, but with placetobenation.com dead is there any chance we can get Loss' list posted somewhere, maybe just in this thread? I just want to use it as a bit of a guide when deciding what to watch.

If it is who you think it is, they aren’t a troll they’re not insincere they were banned for being very rude to other members, name calling etc

They did make it clear it wasn’t a full match here. Although maybe it because it’s so short Elliot can complain, I dunno

oh shit Steven said the exact same thing but in less words

Yeah I know there's a ton of ways to structure a match that vary between different times and places. And that a wrestler can be good at some of them and bad at others. But without full matches I don't know how matches in the 30s are structured, what makes a good 30s match or a bad 30s match, so for me I find them impossible to rate

Or he could look like crap, it depends on which 3 matches you pick to trim down to 15 minutes and how they are edited

Well they look at them and see something good. What one person sees as good in wrestling is never going to perfectly align with what other people think is good. I feel like you can see from clips if someone has good execution but not really if they're good at putting together a match. I personally can't rate someone based on clips, I don't know how to rate a match if we only have half of it or less. How well you can gauge someone's quality by clips depends on what kind of aspects of wrestling are most important to you.

I wouldn't be interested in participating in a poll where we rank people with little footage based on that footage, but if people want to do it that's cool. But I really really don't want to see wrestlers removed from the regular GWE nominees because of it. I want myself and other voters to have the freedom to vote for who we think is best based on the footage we have and not be forbidden from voting for Buddy Rogers or whatever because he doesn't have 20 matches on tape.

Adam Cole Has a charisma and presence that gets him over wherever he goes. Despite the fact that he doesn’t seem to be spectacular enough to be a main eventer in PWG or (pre USA network) NXT he still has great matches in these environments. He’s not someone who doesn’t have longevity, he’s been at least pretty good for 10 years, and from near the beginning teaming with Kyle O’Reilly he knew how to be a dickhead heel that has this undercurrent of likeability. w/ Kyle O’Reilly vs Marty Scurll & Zack Sabre Jr WXW 03/13/2011 vs Kyle O’Reilly PWG 05/23/2014, go to 1hr 15 mins in that video for the match vs Johnny Gargano NXT 04/05/2019, go to 2hr 21mins 30secs in that video for the match