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I can see getting more out of The Clusterfuck if you were in the building watching at home I felt it went way too long and the shenanigans got pretty old by the end. Ronda vs Nia was excellent for a first singles match and yeah I can't think of a better one. Doesn't mean I thought it was a great match, to me that MITB wasn't a special show, there was more than one match on it just as good or better than this so just struck me as a very unexpected thing to come up in a MOTY thread.

What the?

This is not where anything 'completely changed' sure Nitro never had higher ratings then Raw after that but they were losing most weeks at that point anyway and were in the early stages of the decline already. Oh and the best Raw of the Attitude era might be 02/07/2000

Can you explain how this can really happen when the guaranteed revenue from TV starting in 2019 exceeding their current income from all other sources by a huge margin?

This is not the case, the dumbass thing you're thinking of is for the non-wrestlers. So for example a vote for Jim Crockett Sr means you're a historical group voter and it counts against all the historical wrestlers even if you didn't intend to vote in that category.

I've been watching the Arena Mexico Friday night shows almost every week for about 6 months now and Negro Casas despite being super over never seems to have a great match or performance. He had an incredibly long of being a good wrestler, but is it finally over? Is Negro Casas finally no longer good?

right now 3883; but it's a work in progress, and also by the time i get to 2018 on the list it'll probably be 2025 or some shit so that'll be a lot of extra years to add by then

Yknow just watching CMLL friday show every week & whatever other current stuff takes my fancy as well as slowly working my way through an abridged complete history of wrestling, image for reference:

I'm not anti Hogan, he's pretty decent in the 80s but to me that Mania match with The Rock is his best performance in any match of his career, and the Brock Lesnar match is fucking awesome and nobody ever talks about it. There's also plenty of fun in miscellaneous other stuff he did that year, for example there's a tag match with him and Rock against Lance Storm & Christian that's more enjoyable than you'd probably expect.

You realise his mask is basically the same as Lazer Tron's right?

Rick Rude - 1992, hands down Hulk Hogan - 2002, better than any 80s Hogan and you can't tell me otherwise Jake Roberts - 1985, This one is tougher cos he always sorta sucked, but he did do some decent stuff in Mid-South Stan Hansen - 1993, tough one for the opposite reason the Jake one is tough, but damn that Kobashi match and that Kawada match rule so much Rey Mysterio Jr - 1996, dude was so consistent though, you'd get no argument from me if you say 95, 97, 03, 05 or 09 Scott Steiner - 1994, all the non-crazy choices here are right beside each other, 92, 93, 94

Was in the building for this and the atmosphere was electric, Devlin having only one loss in OTT over the past two years (against Walter in a tag) really helped create the feeling of two big time dominant wrestlers seeing who the better man is. Walter is vicious and has been awesome throughout 2018

The crowd here is fucking phenomenal, Jim Ross is phenomenal both wrestlers do a really good job, back and forth fast aggressive hoss battle, I'd strongly recommend this.

I'm in the same shoes as Zep here, I really wanna see this match

what? pics or it didn't happen

That was his first one.

yeah that was pretty fucking good. If we're gonna be talking about 2 on 1s i'm a fan of the one that starts at like 15:40 in this video https://youtu.be/Kxd7bITwVZw?t=941 Same finish as the one you linked though which might be a negative if you wanna see something new, but it's still really good. I expect I'll be bored of Wushu in like a week but for now I'm having a lotta fun watching it

https://soundcloud.com/prowrestlingonly/wrestling-culture-greatest-wrestler-ever-reaction-show If i remember correctly Dylan is mad about the overall list and that takes up a lot of the show

I do feel that by having to do it live and not getting multiple takes to do it over if needed the fact that they won't edit the scene together from multiple takes brings this much closer to wrestling that a movie fight scene.

Choreographed fight sequences performed in front of a live crowd, I don't know much about Wushu but it seems to me that it in some ways is basically pro-wrestling but i'm sure others would disagree. See the link below and other than the fact that it has no real winner as such tell me why isn't this pro-wrestling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3LflYoeQyU

I've decided I'm gonna try to get involved in this but started with a bunch of grumpy posts this morning right as I woke up, so maybe it's a bad start. This is less likely to expose me to as much new stuff as GWE did so I'll probably not enjoy it as much but whatevs. Oh and Matt mentioned Chekov's gun, that can great in matches when done in a creative way but is shitty if its just the tries for a big move and it's avoided so then we know the 2nd time its tried that it's gonna work.

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/0Bwpbsa8C2iSmZXJuaE44bm40eHc

While I'm not on here all the time like I was when GWE was going on, it is the only message board i still visit so that's some real points in this place's favor. Good website, good people happy christmas

https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/945022608902316033 This is the funniest example of Dave doesn't know how to use technology we could realistically hope for.

Isn't this a shoot? doesn't really count