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I know Steele didn't give us a lot of **** (or ***, or **...) classics, but I would argue that no one in history except possibly the Macho Man himself did as good of a job as getting Elizabeth over as he did. You could draw a line from the Steele-Elizabeth storyline all the way through the Bad News, Jake, and Flair feuds--I don't think any of those have the same impact if Steele hadn't set the tone.

The finish of Austin-Rock was such a demonstrable failure that I cannot in good conscience call it a great match. We talk about matches "accomplishing what they set out to do" and that match utterly failed to turn Austin heel, at least for that night, so how can it truly be great? It's ****1/2 work with * booking, timing, and psychology. Mankind-Shawn gets a lot of love still, but I think it would be more remembered with a better ending...I just don't know what that ending is. Maybe a double countout after the table bump. They were in a corner because the first guy to beat Mankind has to be the Undertaker and Mankind wasn't winning the title. I think there was a better way out of it than just Vader arbitrarily running in, though.

I usually defend Dave Meltzer to the death against accusations that he's on the AEW payroll and shit, but holy crap, is he serious with that fucking Tweet? Take the fucking L and move on, guys. Edit: Okay, did Dave did respond to another question with, "It was a bad ending," so it's not 100% rose-colored.

"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!"

My point was not that Al Snow was a definitive top-5, top-10, or top-15 guy of the Attitude Era. But a random sampling of Attitude Era fans, in a market (Columbus, OH) that's incidentally one of the top test markets in the country and in what was once a bellwether state for national elections, indicated that he was more memorable than Christian. "WHAT DOES EVERYBODY WANT?" was more memorable than the 5-second poses or even the big TLC bumps. If you think that's "obnoxious," then there's not much more I can say.

We all got sick of him, but Jeff Jarrett managed to get a genuinely good match out of Chyna. That's probably enough to put him ahead of Christian.

I mean, it might be tautological, but if the WWE and Vince underestimated him then it's sort of per se proof that he wasn't really that important.

He definitely wasn't better than Taka Michinoku, though I would grant that Taka was rarely or never in position to actually have good matches so Christian may still beat him on pure output. But come the fuck on. He's a "maybe" for a top-5 in-ring worker and a laughable no for top-5 star.

I read what you posted and aren't comprehending what you're saying. Are you talking about a top-5 WORKER during the Attitude Era? I think even that's strongly debatable. Was 1999-2000 Christian better than either of the Hardyz, or peak X-Pac, or even D'Lo? To say nothing of Austin or Foley.

As someone who was in high school and college during the Attitude Era and got to see first-hand how teens who weren't necessarily into wrestling before evaluated guys, I can confirm that Al Snow would rank higher on a list of Attitude Era guys than Christian.

Are we already forgetting Mighty Joe Thunder? For shame.

No music because it took place backstage, but when Foley tore into him when he thought he threw his book away, it was a rare occurrence of Rock being completely shut down and overmatched verbally. Foley was even drawing cheers for it because his delivery was so great.

A screen shot from archive.org made the rounds a few months ago. I saw it on Scott Keith's blog, of all places (I like the discussions in the comments, sue me.) Of course now I can't find it.

The screen name of the sleaze thread-starter was "Coach Tony K." It was him.

But he never coached for Miami-OH or the Bengals, so yeah, what the hell is Jesse talking about?

Or to bring back a hot Internet newz rumor of the day, "Titan."

AEW signs the fucking Big Show. Seriously? I'd have thought he was a WWE Lifer. I don't know what he adds besides finally paying off that Wight vs. Shaq match that's been teased for years, but maybe AEW figured that if they had the opportunity to steal a longtime WWE guy, to do it.

WCW Jesse may actually have been a bigger decline than WCW Bobby. Talk about a guy who just plain stopped giving a shit. He was good in moments, but also really bad in others, and he didn't have that personal, legitimate animosity with guys like Sting or Flair that added so much to his calls of Hogan matches.

Can't believe I forgot Albano. His first babyface run was an unqualified success.

I dunno. Between Liz and Paul Bearer, plus the tail end of the Arnold Skaaland Era, that's a better track record of babyface managers than most other promotions.

Sid was going to beat Shawn for the belt on Thursday Raw Thursday and then defend against Taker. Maybe they put Owen against Maivia? And what do they do with the tag titles?

This is a reminder that a Landel vs. Flair main event drew the largest crowd and gate in the history of Raleigh's Dorton Arena, at least to that point.

This thread might be the first outright defense of Baron Scicluna as a worker. That's not me being snide, just an observation. There is a squash or two on All-Star Wrestling where he surprisingly does some solid wrestling, instead of going straight to the foreign object shtick.

On top of that, she was born in Florida in December of 1986. And which promotion were the Fabs working in March? Here's a hint: until the previous year it had been owned by Eddie Graham.

Another vote for prioritizing Crockett.