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[1990-02-23-WWF-The Main Event] Interview: James 'Buster' Douglas
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
I would like to go out drinking with Hulk Hogan and Buster Douglas. Even today, in the year 2012, and even if we're drinking milk.- 9 replies
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Thank god we only get the finish here. I was dreading having to watch this. This would have given Soultaker/JYD a run for its money as Worst Match of the Week/Month/Year. Quake takes a nice bump off of Hogan's punch off the 2nd rope to the floor. Probably better than anything that actually took place in the match. Hogan promo is a Hogan promo. "I'm going to watch the Ultimate Warrior's back 24 hours a day." I think that's called "stalking" in most states, pal. Warrior promo was a Warrior promo.
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[1990-02-23-WWF-The Main Event] Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
Savage's promo is epic. I would watch a DVD that consisted only of Randy Savage promos. They're out there, but they make sense and have elements of humor and danger to them. By contrast, Warrior's are definitely out there, but they don't make sense, there's no real humor, and the only danger involved is, "This crazy guy on bath salts with his face painted might actually try to eat my face off." Hogan says "This will probably be the last time I ever face the Macho King Randy Savage in the ring." Not even close, buddy. Not even close. Though I guess it was the last time he faced Savage in a WWF ring. Anyway, the match! Hogan vs Savage by numbers, which is good. Savage might get the Hulk Hogan formula better than anybody. The real treat is the post-match, though. Savage puts on a master class here, and gets the crowd completely riled up wanting to see him get knocked out, and of course they get it. I like how Savage is crazy enough to challenge the world heavyweight boxing champion to a fight post-match. Overall, great great segment. The match is sort of the 3rd or 4th best thing that's happening here, but that's OK, because it's a good match, and it speaks to how good everything else is that it's only the third or fourth best thing here.- 15 replies
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What aired was really good. Lawler and Dundee work the crowd beautifully, of course, with Dundee's comebacks timed perfectly. The finish is a Memphis finish, but I guess at least it wasn't a chain?
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[1990-02-21-USWA-Evansville TV] Junkyard Dog local promo
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
Good lord, I don't even need to have seen it to know that JYD vs Soultaker was probably worst match of 1990. Good promo, though.- 11 replies
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[1990-02-07-USWA-Evansville TV] Jerry Lawler local promo
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
Good local promo.- 8 replies
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[1990-02-18-NWA-Main Event] Ric Flair & Arn Anderson vs Rock & Roll Express
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
What does it say about modern wrestling when Flair goes to the outside and takes a bump out there, and I immediately expected them to cut to a commercial? This feels weird for a Rock 'n' Roll match, in that this is a rare RNR match that isn't a southern tag clinic, even weirder when you realize they're working Flair and Anderson, who can work that match in their sleep. It's good, but unusual for a RNR match to end without a hot tag. It's almost an even simpler build than that; here, the Rock 'n' Roll have the early advantage, then the Horsemen dominate and get the pin. Like I said, it's good, but the structure being so different is what stays with me more than the actual work. -
A lot of folks think the hair stip at Fire on the Mountain killed Johnson City for SMW. Cornette (unwisely) figured the fans didn't really want to see Ricky Morton get his head shaved, so they would be happy with him not getting his head shaved and instead shaving Candido of his crewcut. Instead, all it managed to accomplish is teach fans never to trust SMW when they promoted a stipulation match.
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I don't think they waited too long to crown champions. I like that they took the time to get over certain guys in advance of the tournament, even if I don't think Lee was all the way where they wanted him to be by the time the tournament started. Anyway, watching the TV, I never got the feeling that the problem with the early TVs was not having champions crowned. If anything, the Heavenly Bodies vignettes were really well done and did a lot to create excitement for the tag division. That said, the heavyweight title was booked horribly and did Lee no favors when he needed a ton of help. I mean, I'm not going to begrudge him for not running through everybody with his finisher, because that wasn't the way southern territories were booked in those days, but he really should have pinned Orndorff clean, especially since it's not like they ran a Lee/Orndorff program around the horn, so it's not like they needed to protect Orndorff for rematches. I know he was still something of a name at this point, but what's the point of having Paul Orndorff if he's not going to put over your supposed company ace? Watching the end of the Volunteer Slam, you really get the feeling the guy Cornette wanted to be the top babyface was Bob Armstrong, not Brian Lee. Which is all well and good, but Bob Armstrong wasn't wrestling at this point, Brian Lee was, and Brian Lee was the guy who walked out of the show SMW champion. I don't think Lee was the right guy for that spot anyway, but even if he was, he wouldn't have gotten over because the booking made him look secondary to the commissioner, a retired 50 year old man. At least don't make the supposed top wrestler of the company look like a bag of shit, you know?
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Gotta love those "seemingly minor" territories Patera headlined in, like the WWF, AWA, Mid Atlantic, and St. Louis.
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I guess what Meltzer is trying to get at is that the Best Technical Wrestler would be one who tells the best story using wrestling holds, rather than through brawling (which rewards the best brawler through the Bruiser Brody Award). I'm not saying that's always awarded correctly, as Benoit won this a bunch of times long past the point where he had become a straight brawling-style wrestler, but I think that's what the idea is supposed to be.
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[1990-02-17-USWA-Championship Sports] Music Video: Bill Dundee
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
It's not as fast paced and clip heavy as you'd expect out of a Memphis wrestling music video but it's very effective, perhaps because it is so different. Really gives Dundee a working class vibe that probably worked well in both Memphis and Dallas.- 13 replies
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Wow, Leona Helmsley references. Hello, 1990! Great match with a great crowd elevating it another level. No wonder Flair loved working with Pillman, as they have great chemistry together. Then again, Flair vs. Plucky Young Underdog is a pretty proven formula.
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I think Ole was getting annoyed at Luger for smirking through this. Nice start to turning Luger back babyface, even if it was probably a wasted opportunity for Luger.
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[1990-02-17-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] Interview: Sting
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
Nice subdued interview from Sting here. Save the high energy stuff for closer to the return. -
[1990-02-17-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] Brian Pillman, Ric Flair and Woman
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
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[1990-02-17-NWA-Worldwide] Midnight Express vs Brian Pillman & Tom Zenk
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
"It's not Pillman and Zman, it's Pillman and Z-Man." I love this commentary team. I want to do commentary with Terry Funk. Not a great match but an effective one, as the MX thoroughly put over Pillman and Zenk, selling for most of the match, letting Zenk kick out of the racquet shot, and then losing cleanly. Makes perfect sense since Pillman and Zenk were getting the belts in the end, and lord knows the Freebirds weren't going to put them over this strong in the finals, so the MX are the good soldiers and do it properly in the semis. -
[1990-02-17-USWA-Memphis TV] Jerry Lawler Loves Wrestling Fans
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
Once again the fans seem to love this even as Lawler is tearing into them. I think the one white lady in the front row was a repeat victim, no?- 12 replies
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You watch this and you can easily figure out how Lawler won the Mark Selker/Larry Burton lawsuit a few years later. He's a master manipulator and that's on display here. Great job. Notice how he glosses over the AWA when talking about World champions. Was he still claiming to be AWA champion at this point?
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Man, how bad must this match have been? Even Lawler probably couldn't save this one. Probably. The finish is every Memphis finish ever, and Lawler's promo is ever Lawler heel promo ever, but its still good. JYD makes or a good top babyface in Memphis.
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[1990-02-17-WWF-Superstars] Brother Love: Ted DiBiase, Slick & Akeem
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
Vince wants to hit Brother Love with a pie for some reason. Bruce Prichard is probably thanking his lucky stars that he was an on camera personality when he was, because 7-8 years later, if Vince came to the arena and decided they were going to hit Brother Love with a pie, by golly they were going to hit the guy with a pie. Good promo by all involved. Akeem stops being a cartoon for just a minute and cuts an intense promo on the Big Boss Man. Too bad the Boss Man/DiBiase program didn't really amount to much. It just kind of fizzled out by summer.- 11 replies
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[1990-02-17-WWF-Superstars] Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior promos
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
This reminds me of why I preferred Hogan to Warrior as a kid and was rooting for Hogan at Wrestlemania (inadvertently preparing me for a lifetime of my sports teams disappointing me in big games). Hogan is self obsessed, yes, but at least he makes sense. I still don't know what point Warrior was trying to make here.- 16 replies
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[1990-02-12-FMW-Battle Brave] Atsushi Onita vs Masanobu Kurisu (Barbed Wire)
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
This feels very experimental. The teases for the barbed wire are done well. It doesn't look spectacular watching this with 2012 eyes, but that's probably a good thing.- 17 replies
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[1990-02-11-WWF-Wrestling Challenge] Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels
Cox replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
Good action that felt like it was going somewhere but then we get the non-finish. It's always weird to hear Tony Schiavone calling a WWF match. He and Gorilla just don't work well together, probably because Gorilla is doing too much PBP when he should be doing color. Is this the only Shawn Michaels singles match that Schiavone ever called? -
Man, that's a lot of hate for gay dudes in those three promos. Dundee's was the best, as one might expect.
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