Johnny Sorrow

It's Lost Show #4 Following the Elimination Chamber episode of This Very Ring, Bryan & Johnny hijack the feed to deliver their thoughts on the PPV. Because they’re l33t haxx0rz. And wasted. It's "Post Elimination Chamber Blues" http://www.tnt-radio.net/archive/234-episo...-chamber-blues/

It's Lost Show #3 With another Smackdown in the books, Bryan & Johnny look back through that and then Johnny busts out his ability as a psychic medium to debut a sophisticated segment for WHATAMANOOVER! The Ghost Of Stu Hart joins us.... It's "Beans, Beans Are Good For Your Hart" http://www.tnt-radio.net/archive/233-beans...-for-your-hart/

Lost Show #2: In addition to the Smackdown Recap/Rewind/Relive/Regurgitate (lol I kid, Smackdown is awesome. Honest.) Johnny Sorrow calls upon his roots to try and rid the wrestling business of a terrible evil. He channels his inner Brother Man to discuss racism in wrestling All this and more on WHATAMANOOVER! It's "Oh My!" http://www.tnt-radio.net/archive/231-episode-2-oh-my/

So, huge fucking thanks to Loss for this forum and making all the threads. I went through all of mine and fixed some links, edited some shit, etc, etc. Will helped delete some useless threads. And it turns out there are some shows from when we first started I never posted here. Some of the content is dated, but the jokes are still crazy hilarious. Here's our "Pilot" ep http://www.tnt-radio.net/archive/12-episode-1-pilot/

It's not revisionism if it's based on how most people feel. And the idea that Ole is the victim of some sort of conspiracy between Vince and the Mulligan family is Oliver Stone level wacky.

The general thought is Ziggler should cash in on a face, not a dominant heel. But I can imagine them running with Del Rio after that match and the crowd reaction.

Maybe looking back, sure. But at the time we all thought Ole sucked, and Windham was a perfect choice. They looked more kick ass and held all the gold. So at the time everyone felt that this was the best Horsemen.

Eventually the HBWO would get too big and have too many splinter groups, though.

Oh yeah, it's not WWE "revisionism" at all. Speaking as someone who was a fan at the time, we all thought "this Horsemen group is the best, they hold all the belts."

I saw him during the Glass Spider tour where he reinvented himself into the most boring concert I've ever been to.

Ha, I was gonna suggest this at DVDVR and here. Great minds and all that. Now I just need to get my guys shit together to start doing shows again.

Actually, Gallagher was never as "one note" as people think. Each of his specials were full of completely different material, a lot of it really good and intelligent/ subversive. He just knew that the audience wanted the Sledge-O-Matic bit at the end and he'd deliver it. But even that he'd change and adapt for each special. And the whole Gallagher 2 deal with his brother was some pretty subversive shit at heart. With Carlin, you can trace the entire evolution of his act over the years from 60's nightclub comic, to gentle hippie who still challenged the establishment with the "Seven Words" bit, (and he would fall back on that bit and adapt it over the years), to cokehead who did nothing but wordplay jokes that lacked any heart that his early stuff had. Then as he got older, he got progressively angrier, and when his wife died he said "Fuck it I'm gonna speak nothing but the truth no matter how much it may upset people." I'm wondering what wrestler one would compare with The Grateful Dead in the way John did Flair and Bruce. Given that the Dead never repeated a performance. No two shows since circa 1969 had the same set list, but certain songs would disappear for awhile, then come back, new ones would come and some would go, and improv was key.

RAW tonight was pretty kick ass altogether, but yeah...I LOVED Rock owning Punk. Unlike the last time, Punk's "Pipe Bomb" stuff was "shooty" in a way that made you want to see him get punched in the face, not go online and jerk off about how "He's shooting what we think". I was chomping at the bit for Rock to come out and own him, and he did. And it worked so well, Punk was never buried as a threat, just owned verbally by THE FUCKING ROCK. Great god damned stuff.

It's actually not quite rare. The Snuka/ Muraco feud was full of crazy hate. I know Muraco isn't the most popular guy around here, but everything leading up to the big cage match was intense. Speaking of Snuka, the Snuka/ Piper feud was insane. You really felt these two guys hated each others guts and wanted to kill each other. Kevin Von Erich vs. Chris Adams was a feud that felt totally real. Former friends who now want to rip each others hearts out. The brief Bruno vs. Savage stuff while Steamboat was "out of action" thanks to Savage felt full of hate. When Bruno snapped on Savage with "You're PROUD? YOU SLIME!!!!" and then old man Bruno went to whoopin' some ass...man, shit was ON.

Sheamus = Irish Mick Foley ? Not exactly....

There was also lotsa fun shit like the Miz/ Balls feud where Miz has Extreme Expose as his valets, and Kelly Kelly starts to fall for Balls Mahoney. That was a fun little storyline. And all the Miz and Morrison matches that led up to them becoming a team, them as a dominant team, as well as every Dirt Sheet episode.

I'll tell you this, Bret's book is by far the most "re-readable" and my absolute favorite of any of the wrestling books I've read. It's perfect for just picking up, opening any page, and immediately being drawn into some story. I always enjoyed Bret Hart matches. That Boston one with Steamboat was one of those "Hey, I taped wrestling the other night, you gotta see this" memorable matches from when I was 14. He'd just turn me off years later with all the bitter "Flair sucks, Memphis wrestling sucks, My Dad's promotion was the greatest promotion ever, Shawn and Hunter ruined wrestling, etc, etc, etc, stuff." I get where the guy's coming from and totally understand why he'd be bitter and why he'd feel that way, but he was wrong about a lot of stuff, at least in my opinion. But, as someone who at the time only watched RAW and the PPV's, the deal about him only shining for PPV Main Events? It may be true, I don't know, and I don't care because those Main Events were what I was watching and he was always good/ great in them.

This is very, very true. Shawn's gimmick is "great wrestler" and it's a narrative the WWE has gone out of their way to push. Shawn is a guy who is important to the history of the promotion, but nowhere near as important as you would think based on the way the hype machine presents him. Isn't the term they use "The Greatest In Ring Performer Of All Time"? or something like that? I always took that as them saying HBK was the best all-around performer/ entertainer, not "best wrestler."

According to Bauer, or one of the ex writers I heard on an Alverez show, Vince was going back and forth on putting the belt on Rey all the way up to showtime at that Mania. And since he's been champ 2 more times since then, sells a ton of merch, and is an actual draw...the idea that Vince has a grudge against him seems kinda off.

I re read the whole thing, too. It was like a Nam flashback.

I'm sure there's more. Yeah, nowhere in there does it say Khali was a good wrestler. It says that a Giant deformed guy who looks like a monster is an attraction a lot of people want to see. And the point that most fans go to shows to see characters and not "moves" is true.

That makes it the best set as far as content goes, of course. But I think it also had the best matches of the sets I got as well. I'd watch Nightmares vs Fire and Flame over any Flair/ Terry Taylor match from Mid South for example, if given the choice.

"I got me a friend ,fella, his name is Dan Sullivan, he's Irish as they come, just like me. We used to drink together a lot in me village. After two drinks, he would look like an Irish pirate. You know? You think he had luck? In one day he got his car stolen, like I did to Alberto that one time, and the stupid, he had no insurance, and no license, and he gets locked up for being drunk. And after that, he takes off for someplace like India or Nepal, or someplace like that. And his mother dies, ya know, so they wire him to tell him to come to the funeral. It's his mother's funeral, that's all. And he's in India or Nepal, sitting squat-legged listening to some sacred cow. So he comes back and he gets stopped at U.S. Customs for trafficking illegal drugs, not holding, he's trafficking! I mean, here's this guy Sullivan, his old lady kicks off, he gets popped at the border and he's sitting on fifty pounds of black Tibetan finger hash and two keys of slam. Now that's not bad luck, fella... that's DUMB luck. I don't think luck has anything to do with it meself, I don't think he has any brains at all. First of all, he's drunk, then he's a junkie. I don't know what's worse. Don't ask me, ask Sullivan. And what happens? He calls me up and says, "Hey man, I got busted at the border. I need five grand bail." I said, I said, "Five grand man!? Hey man, I've never even seen five thousand dollars in my life, so don't ask me for it, man, why don't you ask your Ma!!" Which was a dumb thing for me to say because his Ma just died. So, fella... now, I got this drunken Irish junkie who wants to kill me because of what I said about his mother being in terminal dreamland. Oh fella. One thing! One thing!!! We love our mothers, boy, oh we love their mothers. It's momma this, momma that. Oh me Irish mother! Ireland must be heaven, because me mother comes from there... and so does me Brouge Kick!! So consider yerself Sullivan, fella. And me boot, well, it's yer dumb luck.

...what? You know, those stupid colloquialisms he does about his village back in Ireland, "Ya remind me of ol' Tom McGuffin, not only did he have the village's biggest donkey, he was an arse as well!"