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Hate to add on against Punk but Triple H was in Mayweather's corner in 2009 when Floyd fought Juan Manuel Marquez. Also I've seen Batista walk with Pacquiao in some of his fights. Punk has to chalk it up that Vince didn't want him to do it. Plain and simple.

The match that I saw in the Puerto Rico thread with Abdullah the Butcher vs Carlos Colon in Trinidad pops up in my mind cause of the near riot that happens at the end. I don't have to Lucha set but I will take a look at that match if it's posted online.

It was a great interview/2 hour rant for him to get everything off his chest. I knew that WWE looked like a toxic place to be in but hearing Punk say all of it really makes them look horrible. I'd be very surprised if the WWE doctor stays with the company but they'd prolly replace him with another person that did the same thing he did. I'm happy Punk got out of there. Edit: Do you think Vince addresses this on Austin's podcast?

I feel like a heel that was portrayed as a person like Adrian Broner would get mega heat. Have vignettes of a guy like that spending money ridiculously on strip clubs, cars and jewelry. Even rip up and flush $20 bills down the toilet cause he only carries hundreds. If you know the jackass personality of Adrian Broner, you know exactly what I'm talking.

The Run the Jewels albums work cause Killer Mike and El P are anarchists on the record and it's awesome. But there is some cleverness on there like the Gangsta Boo track on RTJ2 where she ups the vulgarity on both of them. People in wrestling can run a Tully vs Magnum feud but they have to modify it. Hell, they can run that angle with Tully slapping Baby Doll and Dusty coming out to defend her in 2014 with the stuff with Ray Rice going on. They would have to modify or get rid of Dusty saying "She's mine now!" but that line doesn't make or break the storyline.

Hip hop's roots are from the park jams and DJs rocking the local party like Kool Herc. It progressed into the MCs helping out with the DJs rock the party. Then the battle MCs came cause one guy thought he was better on the mic than the other that was doing it. You're right Parv, the battle is essential in hip hop but it progressed from the party days but nobody really battles like today unless you are a battle rapper. The misogyny in rap is something that we can't take away from it either but the misogyny wasn't one of the basic principles of the music genre in the 70s. It progressed from that, it reached a peak and now misogyny is getting less in the music (even though it's very there). Rick Ross got dropped from his Reebok deal for a rhyme talking about slipping a date rape drug in a girl's drink. It's not that fans are worried about gender politics in the music, it's that the people are getting smarter and growing up. Jay Z is my favorite and he said he wouldn't do another Big Pimpin type song again. You and Dylan are right cause the premise of wrestling of two people settling their differences in violence. But so is boxing and MMA. The thing with wrestling is that you can control every aspect of a storyline. Scripted TV shows have a basic premise of one person vs another person but it is layered in nuance and keeps up with the world. Why can't wrestling?

And supposedly Mauro Ranallo and Josh Barnett will be calling that plus it will be mostly matches from 2014.

I understand your thinking in terms of wrestling but times have changed. If you want wrestling to be like what your view is about hip hop then wrestling should be simple like it was in Mid South with Watts calling Cornette a sissy. But with Hip Hop for me as a fan, it makes sense when it speaks to me in terms of life stories and struggles ( not by the amount of women someone has slept with). If you boil hip hop to just that aspect, then you never get to know what it truly is. Current hip hop is not like it was in the 90s with gangsta music so why should wrestling have people cheering for USA vs Russia, men berating women and gay men being made fun of. With wrestling, times have changed and we need more nuances in the storyline and it needs to get more progressive. The best black character that WWE has had in recent time was Floyd Mayweather and he came as the baby face against Big Show. But fans turned on him cause he's rich, he's a natural asshole and he has a history of beating women.WWE only highlighted him being rich but fans weren't stupid. With a person like R-Truth or this New Day group, they are going to highlight every racial stereotype possible. Wrestling doesn't have to highlight everything to get a reaction, just get stories that are relevant and let certain things for the audience to judge whether you like them or not.

What about Bas Rutten? If you're gonna go that route with a MMA guy then get somebody who knows the Japanese culture and he would put over the Suzuki vs Sakuraba match big time.

So basically with the 15 year rule, everybody with a HOF ballot cancelled each other out in voting?

I'll bump this thread cause I listened to the show with Mike Sempervive and it was excellent. Just great content on the history of PPV and where the wrestling industry is going.

I just watched that clip and it definitely seems like Heyman was mixing up two stories cause even for him, it was hard to remember the details. Now to be fair, Kobashi worked a tag match at an FMW stadium show in 97 so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Kobashi could have came to ECW. And Tommy Dreamer worked at All Japan in 95 for a couple of tours. However, Heyman getting both Misawa and Kobashi seems like stretch.

I gotcha but it's hard to blame Brock for that run cause WWE hotshoted him so quickly to the top. I know it kind of turned me off personally because I was unfamiliar with him and it probably turned off a lot of casual fans also along with Austin and Rock leaving the company. So along with his run in 02-03, you have the following: His run in NJPW from 05-06 His UFC run from 06-2011 (with gaps of his illness) And his run on top WWE 2012 until now as a part timer. That is 3 runs as a wrestler and 4 runs all together at the top of the card. The less said about Brock's NJPW run the better. I think it's a moment in time everyone would like to forget. He only had 3-4 matches in NJPW anyway. No, I think we need to talk about it more because he became IWGP Champion first night in the promotion at the Tokyo Dome. Antonio and Simon Inoki brought him with a lot of hype and Brock didn't deliver. People that were following New Japan close at that time will tell you that Brock was a disappointment. The two dome show cards he was on was papered and Zack Arnold said that New Japan got to a point where they were selling tickets at 5 for 1 rates during that Simon Inoki time period for Dome shows. Brock couldn't even draw at Sumo Hall with Akebono, who was still a big name in Japan at the time.

I don't think Rovert warranted to a ban too but I don't make the rules and if he was warned numerous times then it's hard to argue. I read the link that Charles posted about the evidence of Rovert generalizing the board and it the post where he replied to me in the Dave thread about the Mark Henry/Big Show match. I got the feeling that he was trying to defend himself and Dave in the thread because the pile on effect does happen when you have a disagreement about certain workers. (I've seen it with Joe from VOW and others vs the rest of the board on some cases). And I replied to him saying that I probably have similar tastes in wrestling as he does but you have to accept that other people like different things and move on. Hell, Will said he should ban me for not liking Battlarts and someone said before that Bix liking Kane was a ban worthy offense but that's not going to happen cause wrestling is subjective. This with Rovert wasn't really the case though.

Add me to the camp that thinks that this is not a bad list all things considered. I might use this list to see some of the stuff I missed during my breaks from wrestling. Kinda disappointed I only saw two Eddie matches on that list though.

Rovert, I didn't say that I liked the match at all. I thought they had a bad match considering how they've been working the feud. I just thought that Mark was good in his role and Show was bad at his. For me, my tastes in wrestling is probably similar to your taste. I thought the Rusev and Sheamus match wasn't good but people here loved it. I just accept it as different strokes for different folks.

I'm starting to be in that same camp as you Bill. I can listen to Dave talk about the history of wrestling and MMA all day long but the matches he likes, I have to take him with a grain of salt. I was in step with Dave years ago when I subscribed to the newsletter but I've gotten older now and have to see things from all sides.

I've started to notice that it's really starting to be a taste thing with Dave these last couple of years. I enjoyed Lucha Underground but I fell asleep watching the Johnny Mundo vs Prince Puma match and I don't feel like going out of my way to watch that match again. I'm not the biggest Mark Henry fan but he's a good wrestler and I thought his match with Angle at the Rumble years ago was fine. Watching the match with Big Show on Monday made me think Show wasn't on his game cause Mark was good. This stuff just reminds me of an except of the Observer I found online about Dave talking about Becky Lynch in NXT being one of the best women they have and disregarding Sasha Banks and her gimmick. To me, Sasha Banks is the most ready for TV out of all of the women down there.

Is Big Daddy Yum Yum too young in his career to be put in this conversation?

Yes, that's a list of carny fucks that would do what they think Vince wants, which, actually, is the problem. Tony is the only one that has moved on with his life. The problem is not the lack of knowledgeable people in the company. Again, I redirect people to the WWE classics section of the website as proof that they already have the smart people there. The website is great. Look at the playlists. There's a Stan Hansen playlist, a "rare ladder matches" list that actually features rare ladder matches, Best of Muta and Sting together, a freaking Savio Vega playlist. Stuff from all eras to appease nerds like us. Cool features like "where are they now" (these would translate well to mini-original content features), the program with the archivist... Basically the wrestling geeks are working on the website, not the network, AND the network has more oversight (meaning Vince vets all the new content). That's why there's such a disparity. Having said that, there's clearly been a decline in the quantity of cool shit on WWE.com since the the budget cuts got going. Which I guess is to be expected. Doesn't Joey Styles run WWE.com and is a producer on the Network? I remember him posting a picture on Twitter beta testing the Network. I'm guessing everybody in the production department is stretched thin with budget cuts and jumping from project to project and having so many first run shows to produce.