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FTR, Young Bucks, Page & Omega, Lucha Brothers, Santana & Ortiz... And that's only for the top tier. Then you've got a bunch of good mid-card teams like SCU, Best Friends, Sabian & Havoc, Nightmare Family, Dark Order, Butcher & Blade. Yeah, their tag-team scene is beyond stacked. They almost should run a league like AJ used to do, where they can include their jobbers teams like Avalon & Cutler, 5 & 10 and some guys seen on Dark. Loving the little understated angles like the Allie stuff with QT. Also, Janela & Kiss is quite the intriguing unit. From what he's showed on Dark, Sonny Kiss is improving and hopefully will be ready for Dynamite soon. Some killer outfits too. Speaking of improving, Penelope Ford has overdelivered lately, so it's a clear sign she's also on the right path. I was pleasantly surprised by Cody vs Qen, because I was not expecting anything from a Qen single match. Of course I was quite amused by the fact all of his offensive moves after his comebacks were dives, but hey, it's 2020, plus the guy is still learning. Gotta establish that belt, and that's the way you do it, Arn/Regal style. However, FTR vs Butcher & Blade was exactly as good as I hoped it would be. Damn, FTR just are terrific, especially Dax. There has to be a point they'll get involved with Arn & Tully... Or maybe it's too obvious ? Cabana vs Guevarra was also a super strong TV match. Cabana flirting with the Dark Order is something I guess. The gimmick is what it is (and really at this point, I can agree that despite the twists and turns and cool vignettes, it's still not very compelling at all honestly), but they are quite the assembly of excellent workers. Billy (not Gunn anymore because WWE ain't having this anymore) on TV in 2020... yeah I dunno. And the line about giving his talentless sons a job rings a bit too close to home (as far as total nepotism goes at the very least).

The title almost read like a joke. I had to click on the link to be sure it wasn't some parodic website.

Oh, that's pretty spot on. Which is why when I stumbled back onto some WWE stuff in the mid-00's after really years of not watching at all and I saw this guy, I was like, ok, that's the new WWE style and it sucks. They say the same thing about Kane BTW. That says it all. Of course I don't work with them, I have to watch their boring-ass matches, and that makes all the difference in the world.

Not to mention much less talented. Whatever his beliefs are, AJ Styles is one of the greatest and hardest workers ever (I did not watch all those TNA years for naught). That's easy as shit when you get picked up by WWE because of who your daddy is and get pushed from the get go and for the next 20 years, as opposed to working indies (ROH) and minor leagues (TNA) for most of your career because you're deemed "too small" for the "big leagues" (that's until NJPW finally picks you up). Orton may be the biggest silver spoon fed wrestler ever (especially considering his work ethic). I guess the whole flat-earther thing goes with the territory of being a religious zealot... which AJ Styles is. Which is a bummer, but like it's been said before, if you're looking at pro-wrestlers for intelligent views on the world, well...

Actually, it works both ways for Bryan I think. On one hand, because he's in WWE, he's gonna get overrated because it's WWE and it's the most visible company in the world. There's not even an argument about that one. Plus the fact he's so much better than pretty much everyone else helps his case a great deal in this context like you said. But on the other hand, the fact he's been able to be great (by himself, despite the booking, despite the not-so-great co-workers) in this context pretty much cements the idea that he is indeed *that* great. Let's picture the same Bryan in NJ for instance from 2009 to 2015, with the talent he has. The number of awesome matches would be mind-blowing. So yeah, working WWE both helps him regarding his actual output but also kinda hurts him considering what he could have done elsewhere (Japan, really, there's no other case during those years).

Blaming WWE crowds is like blaming the victim. Kinda.

80's : Hulk Hogan : Stallone/Schwarzy = big body guys, bigger than life heroes, jigoism, steroid and punches in the face mid to late 90's : Shawn Michaels / Hardy Boys : Keanu Reeves = smaller guys, good looking, they slide and jump from bus who can't stop and do unthinkable stunts

Except pro-wrestling in the 90's in the US had been in the dump for most of the decade... It did not catch on again before the nWo in WCW and Austin/Rock in WWF (coupled with the raunchy Attitude Era booking style). There's something to be said about why these two angles (to speak broadly) worked when they did, just like why Hulk Hogan worked in the 80's, decade of Silvester Stallone, Schwarzy and Reagan/Bush in the White House.

That's the most out there thing I heard in a long time. What's the analogy between CM Punk, Samoa Joe and Arcade fucking Fire (a band I loathe BTW) ? I always thought comparison between pro-wrestling and music were pretty piss poor anyway (ECW as the "grunge rock" of pro-wrestling, completely laughable), but I have no idea what you mean by that one. Hum... Except that by the mid-00's, "indie rock" meant exactly jackshit in term of being actually "indie" (like it was in the 80's or early 90's) and just became a new boring norm heralded by new internet music media Pitchfork. So, I guess the role played by internet has something do to with it, but there's really no analogy to me between "indie wrestling" in the 00's and "indie rock" in term of finding a form or style that would be its own. Which is not surprising, because what the internet brought was basically file sharing thanks to the mp3 and nothing else. At least not until Youtube and such came along and changed things again in term of distribution and production of content streamable in high definition. Totally agree with this, and this is a point I've been thinking about too when people refer to Kenny Omega as a "geek". Yeah. Geeks are the one who are ruling the world now. Facebook is the creation of a geek. The new rulers are geek. People in Hollywood are geeks. The geeks have won the battle. And I don't see how it's better or worse than the jock culture which gave us Silvester Stallone and Hulk Hogan in the 80's. It's actually probably better, honestly. Or maybe that's me being a geek. (Maybe it's actually much worse, in term of how it affects society, really, when you think about Amazon, Google, Facebook, Uber and other awful companies like that, but we're strictly talking about the entertainment industry here).

I actually read DULL.

I dunno, possible. But old WCW fans always have loved Bischoff as a performer, he was part of (and partly responsible for) the biggest years of WCW. Brucie's rep was always one of a yes-man. So yeah, I guess there was some goodwill feelings dating back to Brother Love, but honestly before the podcast, no one ever thought of Prichard as anything but a yes-man for Vince and a complete bullshiter (that one should not have changed with the podcast, but people bought the whole "Fuck Meltzer" gimmick). Despite the miserable end of WCW, I do think Bischoff had a much higher standard than Prichard, if only as a performer/character (including in WWE). Conrad Thompson turned Brucie babyface, really.

Maybe. Dunno. Don't care. Still, the fact remains that : Brucie : top creative in WWE. JR : legend announcer in AEW. Schiavone : most lovable announcer in the biz today in AEW. Arn : agent and talent in AEW. Bischoff : lol.

Also, Kane, post Mania. Awful stuff. Then again, Kane.

Yeah, I was thinking about that. Remember when he seemed to give no shit and was doing crazy impersonations on a podcast three/four years ago ? The fact he is back at a top position in WWE in 2020, while the product has been totally sinking for years, also illustrates quite well the complete debacle WWE has been and the fact nothing will ever change. Also, when you look at every guy who has a podcast with Conrad, can we have a good laugh at Bischoff ? I mean...

That was an opportunity he did not fully embrace... Speaking of which : "We're telling a story." LOLWWE2020.

Well, WWE is a poor environment in essence to me. So yeah, Bryan transcended it because he's just that good but there was no other mainstream US promotion at the time, sadly. But still, AJ Styles at least got that peak work in NJPW while we'll never have that kind of stuff for Bryan because of context, and it's too damn bad. On the other hand, tons of AJ Styles great stuff is basically forgotten because it happened in TNA. Tanahashi was not only the best, but he also anchored and saved his promotion and got it back to the N°2 promotion in the world spot. As far as lucha libre goes, I dunno, Ultimo Guerrero maybe ?

How charming. Sorry to have to say this, but do we know what Steve Austin thinks about what's been happening ?... I can smell the mild disappointment from miles away.

If you consider the entire last 20 years, Hiroshi Tanahashi, probably. AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan probably follow despite most of their career spent in poor environments (TNA, WWE). Okada & Omega really are 2010's guys (thus far), much like Kobashi and Angle were mostly 00's guy (and 90's for Kobashi, obviously).

I wasn't aware of Terry Taylor being a racist too. Really, is there anything remotely salvageable in this guy ? Office stooge, real-life prick, racist. Plus if you believe Missy, he also got a small dick. Maybe this explains that... But anyway. Road Dog did the blackface too during the DX era I believe, so who knows...

Agree. Considering how bad things still are today, to be any kind of charges in the 50's, gotta be pretty fucking bad. The whole "rape re-classified as sex with an underage" is classic bullshit. BTW, one day it would be nice for people to remember that Eddie Guerrero did the frogsplash to honor the memory of the "great" Art Barr, who raped a 19 year old girl. I dunno, this always hits me funny anytime some guy does the frogsplash to honor Eddie... Like, do the Three Amigos instead or something...

So, he gang raped a 15 years old. But he had a great kneelift, or something...

That's the old "That means you've lost it 16 times ! I will never lose the title !" promo spot. Yeah, there's a reason the IWGP title means so much.

Was there really any big buzz about Killer Kross ? I mean, I have been a fan since his LU and especially his IMPACT days, but it's not like he was like the super indy darling with tons of great matches under his belt or anything. It's not like Matt Riddle or Ricochet who had that amazing rep of can't miss before showing up on NXT. Seems like a pretty good comparison. I actually talked about the fact he would not look quite the monster he was in LU the minute he signed with WWE. And like Mike Awesome, I don't see any main roster guy taking the high angle suplexes either, much like no one would take the crazy FMW Mike Awesome stuff in WCW.

Billed at 5,5, which is 1,65 for people using a regular, understandable scale. Which is not exactly out of the ordinary. 6.4 for Kross sounds kinda crazy to me. He never looked that tall to me, and that's working in Lucha Underground, AAA and IMPACT, lands of the smaller people.

Crazy story about Baba changing the finish on that very day, listening to the audience chanting MI-SA-WA hours before the event. Truly legendary match.