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Agree with @NintendoLogic. Trip was happy to hitchjack the hottest stars in the business since the peak of Hulkamania and marry the boss daughter, then proceeded to cut off the knees of everyone in his path. Maybe if things were different, John Cena would not have been the only true Ace of the last 20 years post Rock & Austin. When you see how Chris Jericho is doing these days, you have to wonder...

Yes. Much like the criticism about not having real issue. Like it's been said before, everything in WWE now is about records and "moments". She has X numbers of titles. She has X days of holding the titles. She will have her X Mania moments.

Yeah, pretty much what I think too... Maybe Biker Taker should have come out to some good ol' Pantera song.

I see, I see... Well at least he was not wearing the old SS T-shirt. Mark Henry would probably have told us Taker always treated him well anyway.

What kind of far-right T-shirt is he wearing in the doc ?

Has she beat her daddy's record already ? If not, that's coming up. But that is the issue with 20 years of monopoly. People stay in the same company forever, and since you pretty much have a token spot on the card, it soon feels like you've been there forever. And since we were talking about women and babies and cosmetics in the Corny thread, Charlotte is 34. How long before WWE decides she is "too old" ? John Cena was deemed too old when he reached 40, despite still being the biggest draw by far in the company. Considering their general views on women (Mickie James, who's only 40 now, has been called "fat" and "old" in the past in WWE angles), I truly wonder how long Charlotte's life expectancy is at this point. She really is the first woman who got to that point in WWE (don't give me Trish Stratus, please), since Becky (who's the bigger star) is leaving to have a baby and there's no telling what is coming for her when/if she decides to come back.

For fuck's sake, how awful are these people ? Throw them in the sea already. Yeah, throw these ones in the sea too. Those idiotic morons who would make the widow the "bad one" because they want their WWE Hall of Fame Moment so they can chant "you deserved it" for a guy who died because the company he worked for was reckless. As far as pro-wrestling goes, Owen's death is probably the most traumatic moment for me. So, yeah, I feel this episode is gonna be tough.

When you speak "overpushed", you gotta factor in talent. So yeah, Baron Corbin seems right. Or Kane.

Like it's been said about Martha's interview by Jericho. He is an awesome host and Martha comes off as such a gentle, genuine human being. Great stuff. (And since it is an uplifting show, the less said about the WWE actually suing her the better. But yeah, gotta say it again, these people are complete dirtbags for doing that after her husband died working for them)

That one sucks for NWA. He was one of their better young talents. So I guess we won't see him in Carnyland, whatever that is...

I'm not saying you're either anti-AEW nor anti-Omega. But if you really think Kenny Omega is a goofy midcard guy in AEW like Orange Cassidy or Marko Stunt, I dunno what to tell you. He main-evented Double or Nothing last year against Jericho. He main-evented Full Gear against Mox. He was part of arguably the double main-event of Revolution with Page vs Young Bucks. That's more main-event matches than Cody on big cards.

Wait, isn't AEW arguably the third biggest pro-wrestling promotion in the world now ? Haven't they been active for a year at this point ? And having selling quite a bit of tickets to live shows, and are making quite decent ratings on a major network TV, and having a few successful PPV's ? And hasn't Kenny Omega been one of the most over act in the company ? I mean, I understand having that kind of reaction last year, but it really gets silly at this point to say that Kenny Omega is not even a little bit of a star to US wrestling fans. Like, I understand he might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it would be nice to be rational about the guy's status today. AEW isn't a vague project by "a bunch of indie guys" anymore. It's been on TV for months. They have been successful beyond anyone's expectations, beating the WWE counter programming and getting renewed already with a fat TV check. And Omega is one of the 4/5 very top guys in that operation. We've way past the point of talking about Omega as "a guy who was famous in Japan". I'm sorry but there's massive denial about him and the Young Bucks not being stars in the US in 2020. Now, I do think Omega is gonna get his stint on top anyway sooner than later, so everything is a moot point as far as him passing the torch already. He's just not at this point yet. He's just not that eager to be on top, obviously.

I remember ages ago when I stumbled onto some of the Bella Twin reality show and I saw John Cena's house and my thought was : who the hell wants to live like that ?

That's ok.

Thank you for this one. The whole "a human being with kids is more important than a human being without kids" drive me fucking insane.

I did not quote you because my post was a followup to MoS post talking about people on social media. You can apologize now if you feel like it, not that I really care.

NzO of course.

At this point Cornette is a broken clock to me. Yeah, he can make good points at times. But so does anyone. Even Vince Russo has made good points about pro-wrestling I'm sure. Yeah, that's how low the mighty has fallen to me.

I kinda dread the single match against Statlander (who fucks stuff up all the time it seems, and I like the girl but...) in front of no real crowd though.

It's true in a lot of part of society though. The carny history of pro-wrestling only emphasizes those aspects, especially the first one.

Agreed. From day one, Hangman has been the designated guy to be the one "original" Ace of the promotion. Jericho, Mox, Omega (whenever that happens) are only those who are gonna build the path. One thing about AEW is that they seem to aim for the long term while not being afraid to experiment along the way. A few months ago, both Page and Baker got the "failure" treatments from everywhere. They were failures, uncharismatic, would never get over etc... And then... Of course Page is a great worker whereas Baker is green as hell and doesn't strike me as someone who will turn into a great worker anytime soon if ever, but the point remains. But this is a discussion for another topic.

This is something people don't seem to get about Omega. He's not an old-school guy in that he's not obsessed about being a top guy. He wants to do different things (he said he would love to do more intergender wrestling). Plus, his dream was always Japan. Been there, done that, at the highest level. He is 36, he has other interests in life. He's making huge money now. If he's smart, and he seems like a pretty fucking smart guy, he can probably go on without having to hustle. To me it makes perfect sense. And in a way, it's exactly like Becky Lynch having a baby now, to circle back to the beginning. They don't have an unhealthy obsession with Da Business. Becky is quitting (for now) at her peak because she'd rather have a baby. Omega could push himself to the top, but he'd rather help other guys get over and pass the torch already, because to him he already has reached the top where it mattered the most to him (NJPW). Makes total sense. Now, maybe Becky will come back and maybe Omega will get that last push to the top still sometime (it would be really nice to see a great stint as the Ace of the promotion eventually), but I can totally relate to those people, at least. The Young Bucks strikes me as the same breed. And hell, didn't Cody say he wanted to retire at 40 ?

These no-crowd IMPACT shows can get rough... No one needs a Hernandez single match, in front of no-crowd no less, in 2020. However, Kylie Ray is a joy to watch in any circumstance. Seems like they are gonna try something new with Rohit Raju, which is cool, the guy is talented. Highlights of the show : Cody Deaner in Kwaranteen, The North defending the title in Canada (that ring announcer sounds kinda like Jimmy Hart and they should get him to live shows whenever crowds are back), Moose as TNA World Champion (that's a brillant idea, the hype video with promos by Chris Daniels, Kazarian, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, Hulk Hogan and Dixie Carter was another funny idea, they sure know how to use their back catalogue), Josh & Madison doing a really good job announcing, especially when Madison bitchslaps Josh verbally.

Well, Meltz and Alvarez have made the same point, really, so it's not like a great revelation or anything from Corny. Whatever good point Corny can makes totally gets invalidated by the complete bullshit he spews all the time. Oh yeah, that whole Peyton Royce thing was a debacle on all front, including in this board, sadly. I'm amazed the IIconics haven't been released by WWE during this time BTW.

Mark Henry is a company stooge, it's nothing new. He only knows WWE. And whatever struggle he had at first (while being on a fat-as contract that very seldom people ever got signed to), he ended up a very respected member of "the family", so he speaks as a "dominant" here. Isn't the whole "They gave Mark Henry tons of awful stuff to try and make him quit" narrative a bit overstated anyway ? No shit.