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True. Didn't get that part either.

I though she was part of the mass firing ?

Some excellent stuff, like MJF vs Marko and most of all Fenix vs Cassidy. If he lives, Fenix should be eventually pushed as a single star, he's just that awesome. The main event was pretty damn good, Gueverra is gonna be totally great one day. Yeah, not crazy about him doing the job to Literally Broken Matt Hardy but that's ok I guess. The stadium postmatch was great shit and I can't wait for the match itself, hopefully they really go for broke. Shawn Spears News showcased Spears strong points, the guy is actually a great talker. Mox not playing along The Dark Order stuff was cool. I can't say I'm enthralled about this whole angle though. The Dark Order stuff is better, but still not exactly super compelling or anything. Schiavone "Ok I was right it's a cult" line was perfectly timed though. The women match was rough, *again*. Statlander is cool and all, but she's so not ready for this push. Poor Dr. Baker got her leg of ankle squashed when they dropped Nyla on her, hopefully she'll be fine. Two vignettes in a row with people burning stuff (Allin and PAC, who looked great as usual) was not the greatest planning. And I must say, I was not crazy at all about Arn & Jake. They are cutting promos about a match that will never, and hopefully never even as a tag or something, happen, meanwhile the real issue and the TNT title feels like an afterthought. The reality is that Cody (nor Brandi) doesn't need anyone to cut promos for him and Jake is putting the heat on himself instead of Archer. So yeah, underwhelming stuff if I'm being honest.

It's no one's business to judge what the fuck Martha Hart wanted for her kids after what happened to them. It's not like Hart Family is this great unit of wonderful people either. Lots of fuck ups and crazy-ass lunatics on the wrestling side of things. Considering pro-wrestling was just her husband's job and he died because of it, it's only a miracle she doesn't despise it as a whole and it shows how good and big she is that doesn't. Considering how apparently she was not only not supported but also legit betrayed by some family members, I totally get why she would want to isolate herself from these people (because really, they choose to isolate her at the worst time imaginable). The falling out with Bret seems a little bit more complex since he was supporting her at first, but like it's been said, Bret also came back to WWE eventually. Nothing is simple. Expect that fact Martha and her children lost a husband and father because of WWF negligence. From that point on and again considering what kind of character as a human being she has been displaying, she deserves nothing but respect.

"Hey, I got Arn Anderson and he's great. I'm gonna have him talk about some random WWE years of the 2010's and absolutely not about JCP and WCW..." Yeah, that made me quit the Arn podcast too.

So it was basically a teaser/commercial for a bunch of shows that are gonna do every days. The Cliché Promo Class 101 was really fun, in the same vein as Broken Matt teaching the meaning of wrestling words on BTE. The Mongrovian stuff I couldn't care less. "Showing up on TV looking like I need a safe word during a BDSM party" cracked me up.

Wait, he actually said that ? Mark Henry really need to shut the fuck up now.

They are from the same ilk. The putrid kind. If there's another Dark Side of the Ring to be done, it's actually on Vince himself. A whole season, to expose what piece of trash this guy really is. From the covering up of murder to exploiting a widow for ratings to suing Martha Hart after taking no responsibility for the death of Owen to honoring the memory of an homophobic hate speaker and making it a "charity is the new PR" symbol to doing propaganda for a criminal regime to mass firing employ independent contractors during a pandemic etc etc...

I'm sure he was a fan of Bret Clarke though.

Echoing what has been said already. Awfully hard to watch at times. I'm glad they made this as much about Martha (much like they gave their humanity back to Nancy Argentino and Nancy Toffolini in the previous episodes and have not treated them as casualties as the story). She comes off like an incredibly strong and good human being. Total respect and empathy for her. On a sidenote, I don't remember seeing Corny get that emotional (in a "sad" way I mean), ever. They could have told so much about the circumstances and irresponsibility of the whole thing (when you see the hook they used it's just mind-blowing), but they made the right choice with the angle they choose, focusing on Martha. S2 really was much better than S1 I thought. They tackled probably the two most traumatic events in pro-wrestling history and have done quite a great job with it.

I believe she got a few concussions, right.

Ditto. I was basically only following WWE for the women back then and Alexa was so much fun.

Agree with @NintendoLogic. Trip was happy to hitchjack the hottest stars in the business since the peak of Hulkamania and marry the boss daughter, then proceeded to cut off the knees of everyone in his path. Maybe if things were different, John Cena would not have been the only true Ace of the last 20 years post Rock & Austin. When you see how Chris Jericho is doing these days, you have to wonder...

Yes. Much like the criticism about not having real issue. Like it's been said before, everything in WWE now is about records and "moments". She has X numbers of titles. She has X days of holding the titles. She will have her X Mania moments.

Yeah, pretty much what I think too... Maybe Biker Taker should have come out to some good ol' Pantera song.

I see, I see... Well at least he was not wearing the old SS T-shirt. Mark Henry would probably have told us Taker always treated him well anyway.

What kind of far-right T-shirt is he wearing in the doc ?

Has she beat her daddy's record already ? If not, that's coming up. But that is the issue with 20 years of monopoly. People stay in the same company forever, and since you pretty much have a token spot on the card, it soon feels like you've been there forever. And since we were talking about women and babies and cosmetics in the Corny thread, Charlotte is 34. How long before WWE decides she is "too old" ? John Cena was deemed too old when he reached 40, despite still being the biggest draw by far in the company. Considering their general views on women (Mickie James, who's only 40 now, has been called "fat" and "old" in the past in WWE angles), I truly wonder how long Charlotte's life expectancy is at this point. She really is the first woman who got to that point in WWE (don't give me Trish Stratus, please), since Becky (who's the bigger star) is leaving to have a baby and there's no telling what is coming for her when/if she decides to come back.

For fuck's sake, how awful are these people ? Throw them in the sea already. Yeah, throw these ones in the sea too. Those idiotic morons who would make the widow the "bad one" because they want their WWE Hall of Fame Moment so they can chant "you deserved it" for a guy who died because the company he worked for was reckless. As far as pro-wrestling goes, Owen's death is probably the most traumatic moment for me. So, yeah, I feel this episode is gonna be tough.

When you speak "overpushed", you gotta factor in talent. So yeah, Baron Corbin seems right. Or Kane.

Like it's been said about Martha's interview by Jericho. He is an awesome host and Martha comes off as such a gentle, genuine human being. Great stuff. (And since it is an uplifting show, the less said about the WWE actually suing her the better. But yeah, gotta say it again, these people are complete dirtbags for doing that after her husband died working for them)

That one sucks for NWA. He was one of their better young talents. So I guess we won't see him in Carnyland, whatever that is...

I'm not saying you're either anti-AEW nor anti-Omega. But if you really think Kenny Omega is a goofy midcard guy in AEW like Orange Cassidy or Marko Stunt, I dunno what to tell you. He main-evented Double or Nothing last year against Jericho. He main-evented Full Gear against Mox. He was part of arguably the double main-event of Revolution with Page vs Young Bucks. That's more main-event matches than Cody on big cards.

Wait, isn't AEW arguably the third biggest pro-wrestling promotion in the world now ? Haven't they been active for a year at this point ? And having selling quite a bit of tickets to live shows, and are making quite decent ratings on a major network TV, and having a few successful PPV's ? And hasn't Kenny Omega been one of the most over act in the company ? I mean, I understand having that kind of reaction last year, but it really gets silly at this point to say that Kenny Omega is not even a little bit of a star to US wrestling fans. Like, I understand he might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it would be nice to be rational about the guy's status today. AEW isn't a vague project by "a bunch of indie guys" anymore. It's been on TV for months. They have been successful beyond anyone's expectations, beating the WWE counter programming and getting renewed already with a fat TV check. And Omega is one of the 4/5 very top guys in that operation. We've way past the point of talking about Omega as "a guy who was famous in Japan". I'm sorry but there's massive denial about him and the Young Bucks not being stars in the US in 2020. Now, I do think Omega is gonna get his stint on top anyway sooner than later, so everything is a moot point as far as him passing the torch already. He's just not at this point yet. He's just not that eager to be on top, obviously.

I remember ages ago when I stumbled onto some of the Bella Twin reality show and I saw John Cena's house and my thought was : who the hell wants to live like that ?