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Google is odd. BTW, I think it's safe to say that Roger Couderc was to french catch what Lance Russel was to Memphis. He was awesome.

Thanks. Well... like I said, I wouldn't consider this as a valid source at all, unless you stumble on those terms over and over again from publications from when it was really popular (which is way before the 70's). How in the hell did you fall on *this* interview ?

I guess, but like I said, never heard it before, in any context. That's why I would be interested to read/hear the source.

I would be curious to see that. It doesn't even make any sense relative to a good guy and a bad guy. It would basically mean "good looking" vs "fake" or "cheap". Like, WTF ?

No idea where you found such a thing. It's not even a literal translation. The equivalent basically would be "gentil" and "méchant", which are the terms we use for movies too. (basically, "good" and "bad", literally "kind" or "gentle" and "mean")

He almost looks like Varg Vikerness now. No nazi memorabilia on his shelf though...

BTE 200 was like the greatest thing ever. The Barber Shop spot was brillant but the I Love You thing had me legit rolling. Quite a montage too at the end. Amazing to think how much of a waste and how worse pro-wrestling as a whole would be if these guy had gone to the pit that is WWE. What an incredible story.

Pro-wrestling is the epitome of sport-as-a-spectacle, the unassumed shadow of what "real sport" actually is, so of course it won't happen. The day pro-wrestling becomes actual performance art and the "sport" aspect gets more and more secondary, maybe then, some guys and girls will step up and say "hey, we are more like actors, let's fucking unionize now". It's all the same entertainment bullshit anyway, but the "faker" it gets, the more real it can become and the more adult and responsible, maybe, those people can be.

Unionize, bitches. Until then...

Did they rename Scarlett Bordeaux too ? Like, Scarlett Dijon, because she's hot. (ok, that one will fly over everybody's head)

Dan is doing an AWESOME job with this BTW. I barely have seen anything from that period. Yeah, maybe that one because basically that was the pro-wrestling my father used to watch for a while. I recognize some of the names. Yeah, maybe one day, but that's very specific. That's the one Roland Barthes wrote about, too.

It was what brought me back and made me look toward the future. Honestly if I had my way, I'd take a great new product in the Lucha Underground form rather than AEW (which I really like a lot, mostly). Which is why I love some of the stuff IMPACT does which is straight out of the most fucked up (the whole Undead Realm stuff) or simply the most progressive (Tessa winning the world title) LU stuff.

I would want every show ever announced by Schiavone & Jericho together. It's just so awesome. (although I would prefer AEW not doing shows right now)

Funny how my answer is gonna be the polar opposite of what it was. As of this day, I'd be ok if I never watch anything from the past, ever. I'm only interested in the now, and tomorrow.

Super nice thread. PWO has been my home for the longest time I've been a pro-wrestling fan. I did my best writing here (although it seems like in another life). Salute.

WWE is not pro-wrestling. It's never been easier to watch anything but WWE wrestling. And really, for years and years now, anyone with a decent Internet connection could watch anything from anywhere. WWE being a toxic waste of a promotion is nothing new. WWE could die tomorrow and I would not blink an eye. Pro-wrestling has never been more fun than in the last few years to me. Most pro-wrestling companies actually are dealing with this crisis in a most professional and decent way (even ROH and IMPACT, imagine that). Pro-wrestling is not, and has never been "WWE". Thankfully.

Hey people. How are you enjoying your apocalypse ? I'm doing mighty fine. Being confined for a month already and going for another one (at least). Been enjoying AEW (although I wish they would only do BTE from compound/confinement homes), IMPACT, NWA (yeah binged watch that second season and it was soooo much better than the first). I enjoyed Taker vs Styles from that pathetic, irresponsible Mania show, got good laughs at GiFMania from Ciampa/Gargano. Been enjoying the second season of Dark Side, although the Benoit stuff was hard to watch and heartbreaking. And well, I guess Vince really did cover up for a murder and here he is doing mass firing during a pandemic (after bribing is way into running live shows and putting his workers and their families at risk). So yeah, fuck Vince McMahon and his awful sociopathic family and stooges. Also fuck Jerry Lawler and Jim Cornette (who managed to come off *worse* than Vince Russo on the Brawl for All episode, yeah, we have reached that point) old redneck ra(pist?)cist asses. And fuck Macron and his irresponsible government, too (yeah, it's been handled pretty badly here too, with some apex of bullshit like the spokeperson explaining that masks are not necessary plus it's too complicated to use because it's scientific and hell, she even does not know how to use it. Yeah. It did happen. Because you see, we don't have masks, so might as well tell the people that it's useless). Hope you are doing well, people.

IMPACT has noticeably upped its game since the move on AXS and the last pro-wrestling I'll see in 2019 will be that crazy brawl between Callihan & Tessa going into the streets (I swear one car stopped and the guy legit was asking himself WTF was happening). Just an awesome, awesome angle (and Callihan's promo beforehand showed once again why this guy is the MVP of the promotion). They have done and are doing such a terrific job with this build-up since Slammiversary, Tessa winning the title will be a great moment ! There you go, bye-bye 2019.

Have the Dark Order run in and beat them both. (wait, maybe having done those WCW and TNA threads actually has had long term effects...) Should be the highlight of the show. First show of 2020 and last show I'll watch at my current home, as I'm gonna change place and life *again* just at the end of this week. Probably won't be active very much or at all on the board for a while too, as I'm gonna be pretty busy dealing with work and administrative stuff and discovering a whole new environment. So there, I say Happy New Year already to everyone on the board too, enjoy your pro-wrestling, old or current, be kind and healthy, people.

The very first angle I saw was Boris Zhukov beating up Nikolai with his boot. And wow, that was great ! Well, no. I must say, at least half the credit for hooking me goes to the announcing team of Carpentier & Hauray. They made anything sound exciting, fun and important, even the worst shit ever. So yeah, announcing goes a long way (which I guess is why IMPACT remains my favourite show and why I can't watch NXT despite all the great talent). You could watch the worst Brutus Beefcake squash, if Bobby Heenan was great at announcing it, it did not matter that much how bad it was.

I think some people here don't like Kenny Omega too much. I'm sure he's ok with it. Being a draw for NJPW, ROH (the Elite and NJPW sold that MSG show, and ROH died pretty much when they left) and now AEW (which is doing much better than they should, really, all thing considered). Being offered a ridiculous contract by WWE. If that does not constitute success in pro-wrestling, what does ? Critical appreciation ? Hum.... I'm pretty sure he's doing fine on that level too. Yeah, he'll survive a few shitty memes and hateful tweets...

Depending which audience we're talking about. I'm just catching up, and I loved it. I want more of this stuff. I want IMPACT to become more of a show about pro-wrestling like GLOW, in the Lucha Underground mode. That's what I want for 2020. More Suzie, more IPWF, more Wrestler's Court and stuff. And more Taya, you can't get enough Taya. Also, Madison Rayne as the Locker Room Leader is the best new character twist of 2019, this side of RVD having a middle-life crisis and talking about how the young generation do his movez. She was great on that No Surrender special.

Yet he spends most of his active time talking about it and making money off of it, simply by monetizing his Youtube channel and podcast doing reviews of something he despises and preaching to his choir of fanboys. Corny is the epitome of hate watch, but he's still an old-school con-man, so he manages to make a buck out of it. He's basically leeching off something that has long passed him by. If Corny was honest, he would only talk about old-school stuff and the territories. But of course, that would not garner nearly as much buzz and traffic and clicks. Corny's a worker. He works his own marks (and yeah, I'm using this word because that's how people like him views the audience), as showed by the Callihan debacle. He has become his own version of Vince Russo, sadly. After decades of being a fan and defending him, 2019 is the year I lost tons of respect for this guy. 2020, he's totally off my radar. No time anymore for this kind of nonsense.

So I found the very first episodes of pro-wrestling TV I ever watched, which is WWF TV from June of 1990. This stuff is so bad. Yeah, it was cool when I was 14 and did not know any better. But really, Brutus Beefcake and Bushwhackers squashes, get-well-Hogan campaign, Warlord squash... Good old days my ass... Yeah, in 6 months I'll reach 30 years of fandom. I'll glady take whatever is on now rather than any of this stuff.

And yet he sold out EDIT TO CONTENT SOME NITPICKING AS SEEN A FEW POST BELOW : packed several huge buildings in Japan and was a vital part of NJPW's growth when he was on top working against Okada (wow, that is so different to the point I'm making in the grand scheme of things), so I guess that did not keep him from getting over huge. Plus, I don't think any pro-wrestling fan should ever make fun of the anime or manga or cosplay or video game stuff. Those cultures are much more widely accepted and socially considered than pro-wrestling ever was or will be. Pro-wrestling is the geekiest of the geekiest shit ever. In the real world, The Undertaker aka the Greatest Gimmick Ever is sub C-movie corny bullshit. Pro-wrestling acting is usually barely above classic porn flick level. So yeah, Omega does kinda goofy wide eyed facials, like Randy Savage and shit, and he does a pew pew with his fingers. The guy was a big star in Japan because of all of that (the video game connection, the maneurisms). And the fact he's like one of the greatest worker ever, but that's another story entirely. Cornette in 2020 ? Yeah, no. That ship has sailed a long time ago.