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  1. El-P
    I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not a sports fan to begin with, and I'm French, so the only football names I know are the ones who have been involved in pro-wrestling. I'm not saying Sullivan should be in, but that Bischoff should not be given too much credit either for the nWo years. He stole the idea from NJ and UWF-I, he had a vision for Nitro and agressive tactics, he did some good, but really Sullivan deserves a lot of credit for actually booking the promotion and playing with all the huge egos and Hogan's creative control. Bischoff's ideas in 1994 sucked. The Worldwide tapings, the piped in crowd reactions during promos on Saturday Nights. Ugly stuff. The negatives badly outweight the positives in Bischoff's resume. But I give him credit for being a part and some of the reason why WCW finally got off the ground, for a little while. Doesn't make him HOF material to me though.
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    Agreed. Eric did way too much harm for whatever positive he brought. Plus let's not forget about Kevin Sullivan, he's as much if not more responsible for convincing Hogan to turn heel, and he's the one booking the most successful years of Nitro.
  3. El-P
    Bret was a better worker, not even close. Bret was a bigger draw, not even close : basically, Sting flopped on top at every turn, and his only "major" drawing period was the nWo days when he actually wasn't working in the ring nor on house-show, and like John demonstrated most of the drawing power of that era comes down to Hogan, Eric, Hall & Nash anyway. Bret coming back on top after the disastrous Diesel reign of terror is the one who turned things around in early 96 working with Taker, Bret working with Austin is what put Stone Cold on another level and pushed him to the doors of superstardom. Bret was always a big factor for WWF both in Canada and in Europe, and it got bigger in 1997 with the whole anti-american angle. As far as influence goes, I don't see how Sting howlering before hitting his spot his different from Hogan adressing the crowd before dropping the leg or Lawler dropping the strap to signal a comeback. Ultimate Warrior was hitting his chest too, does that make it influential ? No, I don't see any correlation between Sting and the way Rock or Jericho did their spots, really.
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    Multiple ? He popped up elsewhere too ?
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    Well, I appreciate the effort they made to make the gimmick mean something instead of a simple name and outfit change. Well produced and to me it worked. Traylor was a big man, it shows here in the middle of this bunch of guardian angels.
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    Flair is pretty great here, it's obvious he couldn't wait to get into his big program with Hogan. I don't see the "crack in the armor" argument here. Flair has been hyper before, and Hogan showing up allows Flair to get back into full heel mode for the first time since he left WWF.
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    Much better than the Slamboree match, which was already very good. Excellent matwork and counters, real smooth work on both parts. Zbyszko has been such an underrated worker for the longest time it's not even funny, probbaly another case of Meltz not liking his work and Skeith paroting him. It's also one of the first time Regal has showed his real mean streak, he's particulary stiff here, foreshadowing some of his matches in the future with you know who. Gotta give credit to Bill Dundee too, who had a tremendous timing with his interventions. Great match. The only minor issue I have with this match is that it's a TV title match that doesn't end in ten minutes nor even TV time remaining, which kinda negates the entire concept of this championship. But anyway, one of the best, if not the best, TV match of the year thus far.
  8. El-P
    Hotline scam. Routine Hogan promo I never could stand, brutha. blah...
  9. El-P
    Great creepy, evil promo by Jake. I guess he wasn't so hot in the ring, as he was already disapointing in WCW in 1992, but he could sell a match on talking alone. Should have become a great manager.
  10. El-P
    Cornette is great, but I couldn't care less about Bedlam. Which makes this not as good as Cactus & Barbie.
  11. El-P
    Jake cuts a really good Snake promo. DWB cuts a racist, jingoist, borderline homophobic promo, which kinda sucks for a babyface.
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    Well, I will actually watch WCW Prime from 1995. In 1994 I'm all about Saturday Night, Worldwide and Main Event. And I need a life.
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    Ok, thanks. I think it comes down to false exceptations. In all objectivity, 1994 has been much better than mid-1993 obviously (that year only got better with the Starrcade build). But since I remembered a streak of excellent/great PPV's, I was under the assumption that the TV would be that great product with tons of good matches and cool angles every week, and this just isn't the case. That's pretty much it. The PPV's have been excellent, but very poorly built, it's obvious everything tends toward the arrival of Hogan. Things are getting better in term of good matches with April/May, but it's clearly not the Dangerous Alliance redux era I was excepting it to be. Plus I have to work through the transition from Ventura to Heenan, and it doesn't help. As funny as Heenan can be in spots, he's still not in the same category as Ventura in that role, and at times is already really bad and annoying, being only interested in comedy. Add to that Dutch Mantell leaving SMW and I'm in the middle of a horrible period where probably my two favourite color guys ever are gone. Yikes.
  14. El-P
    Which one is that ? By whom ? Doesn't ring a bell here. Talking about promos, both Dusty Rhodes and Terry Funk did two great promos at Slamboree too. No "crackbutt Tennesse" great, but nothing seems to be.
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    I'm underselling nothing, it's just not particulary good thus far. As far as "Never good ever happened on WCW after this", thanks for the laugh. This kind of excessive statement really deserves your pimping overall. Anyway, like I said, Terry Funk showing up should shake things up quite a bit, and I'm such a Funk mark that it could turn out great still (my memories of the WarGames match is that it was a fantastic fun match, I'm anxious to rewatch it). (having already done WCW 1998 like two years ago, there was still plenty of good stuff back then, although the booking was putrid, and things turned out really ugly in the Summer and with Nash at the helm, but really, 1998 TV up to June was more fun than 1994 has been thus far, much to my amazement. 1994 TV has been pretty disapointing thus far, despite having really strong PPV's)
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    Slamboree was just another excellent PPV, with nothing bad on it and the lesser stuff like Dustin vs Buck & Austin vs Badd still being pretty good. Really enjoyed Larry Z. vs Regal (which I remembered that way) and Flair vs Windham (which I didn't remember being that good, finish aside). The Nasties vs Cac & Sullivan is a great brawl, and Vader vs Sting still spells MOTYC. I'm really surprised this isn't on the yearbook (or did I miss the thread ?), as although it's shorter than their previous epics, it also feels different and just as great for its lenght. As much as the TV wasn't very inspired at the time, the PPV's were tremendous quality.
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    You replace big goof Maxx Payne with Kevin motherfucking Sullivan, and guess what happens ? A FUCKING AWESOME BRAWL !!!! Seriously, this is so much better than the Stampede match, it looks like guys kiiling each others and trying to survive. I quote Sullivan from his Youshoot interview when he half jokingly said "These guys weren't smartened up (...) They would make great truck drivers". Probably safer than the previous match too, as Cactus Jack crash on the table is nowhere near the nestea plunge from the ramp + shovel shot. Saggs had a badly injured shoulder coming in so it's a credit to him that he worked so hard. Loved the ending, which made sense with the Philly crowd, and loved the post match with Maxx Payne doing the only good thing he ever did in his entire stint, but that was one hell of a payback. Cactus looked like he had gone through a slaughter, and the Nasties selling for so long (well, Saggs wasn't exactly selling) really put over the brutality. Also, thank God Ventura was calling this one. It's too bad he was put aside by Bischoff, as he was so much better than Heenan. Can you just picture Ventura announcing during the early nWo days ? Anyway, great stuff.
  18. El-P
    Oh yeah. Not as good as Bret Clarke, but pretty nice fuck up too. Seriously, how much money Bischoff pissed away for this guy ? I would have had him once a year for the main event at Starrcade, to make the thing special, but on every title match on every PPV's it was a huge waste of money.
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    From memories this wasn't very good at all, and go figure, I really enjoyed it this time around. Even fat and with only one knee, Windham moves around like a panther at times. Flair was in Tenryu mode, not doing too much but stiff chops, but Windham I thought was actually still really damn good. I can picture at which point he reinjured it though. Once again, and for the third time in a row, Flair wins a match with a shitty looking finish. Maybe that was why Flair was better as a bitch who would always cheat, because he sure doesn't look like he could actually get a clean pin that would look any good. Anyway, I enjoyed this way more than I thought I would. Too bad Barry re-fucked his knee here, I would have loved to see him make a full comeback.
  20. El-P
    Good fun match at Stampede, decent match at Slamboree, Jimmy Golden still looking dull and vastly uninteresting. Nope, doesn't work with me. Plus I'm really not a big fan of the fact Dustin really was playing Dusty Rhodes Jr. during that feud. He was such a fun worker before but to me here he's working like most of his spots are tributes to his father, including the gimmicks like the bull-rope. I guess it worked well for him since he already gained quite a bit of weight a la Windham, but to me Dustin was much more interesting in 1992. Terry Funk should make this better and much more, but we're not talking about Bunkhouse Buck anymore then.
  21. El-P
    I really don't see this. The TV was decent at best, with not much happening, especially a very weak undercard and not much in term of good matches. The PPVs were good, but they give a distorted view of what the company was at that time. As far as the match goes, I thought it was mediocre. I'm sorry but Jimmy Golden brings nothing to the table except a few goofy facials and maneurisms. His punches and kicks are weak looking, he doesn't project violence at all to me. Brutal, yeah, but not in a good way at times. I thought this was plodding and not very well built at all, with a puzzling leg-work at the beginning. No blood, which hurts (and you can argue the buckets of blood really helped the visuals in the Stampede match)., just a few fun spots here and there. I'm not feeling this feud at all on rewatch, and only Terry Funk's post match beatdown makes things look better. My opinion of Jimmy Golden being a dull worker hasn't changed at all.
  22. El-P
    Really well done, much better than the WWF would do at the same time until they got into the business of nostlagia and buying out wrestling's history and made the Hof a legit big time ceremony.
  23. El-P
    Really good match with Regal doing great manneurisms and facials at the start. Larry's "You're not good enough!" was gold. The crowd is typical ECW hostile crowd, chanting "Bruno !" at Larry, which was funny. Cool matwork and exchange, some intense shot exchanges, excellent upset finish. Larry could clearly still go and was a great foil for Regal, as their psychologies and wrestling style worked really well together.
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    This is most probably the very first occurence of an ECW chant on a major PPV. Hat guy in all its glory at ringside, ECW signs, fun to see. Yeah good short match, and it's too bad Tully didn't coma back in 1993 as he should have, because he obvioulsy still had a good deal in the tank. Funk is great. The announcing team sucked, talking about the past while it was obvious Terry Funk was as relevant as ever, and totally not selling the amazing fact that Terry was doing a freaking moonsault at his age. It's also obvious Funk was gonna be a regular. Funk dropping the elbow on Hat Guy's hat was ridiculous and insane.
  25. El-P
    The Heavenly Bodies are gone, Dutch Mantell is gone, we get Bruiser Bedlam, Prince Kharis in the main event, a Sasuke/Muta clone, Well Dunn as the first opponent for the Seekers (not a good choice)... Yep, Bluegrass Brawl seemed to be the apex of the company, and things don't look so hot now, despite Candido & Lee vs Rock'n Roll which is the only thing I care about at this point. *sigh*
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