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[1994-01-29-WCW-Saturday Night] Brian Pillman and Col. Robert Parker
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1994
Jungle Jim Steele. Parker is milking the hell out of this, which is how it should be done. Heenan is great here, probably much better than Ventura would have been.- 10 replies
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[1994-01-29-WCW-Saturday Night] Press Conference: Nick Bockwinkel
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1994
Vader is raising hell and makes for a great segment. Steamboat being outraged at Vader confronting Flair's wife is a bit much, remember when Flair used to make fun of you and Bonny ? But yeah, those press conference segments are always pretty fun.- 8 replies
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Eh Tammy's a long term substance abuser with serious mental issues who did poor quality nude photo shoots for a shady website run by Missy Hyatt & whores herself out for shoot videos produced by a dude who got caught on tape going to a stangers house to try & fuck an underage boy. She used to fuck Shawn Michaels & has been arrested multiple times for domestic violence against a no name indy geek. Chyna's a long term substance abuser with serious mental issues who did Playboy photo shoots & & whores herself out for gang bang vids for a top adult movie company. She used to fuck HHH & has been arrested for domestic violence against X-Pac. It's a close call thear Well, put under that light... yeah, closer than what I thought. Better not think too much about it though.
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Thank goodness. Oh yeah. Curiosity murders the cat.
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Ah ah ah ah ah ah ! Thanks for thee laugh, Loss !
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Holy shit. Pathetic. How low can you go ? I still have no idea what this is all about, but it is truly pathetic. New Jack is still a sociopath and Balls looks like a giant sewer rat indeed. Holy shit. Again ? After Youshoot where you learn she loves anal and want to make a sextape ? (oh shit, she does talk about her vagina her anal sex again...) Gotta love the "Coming next : In Prison with Tammy Sytch" comment. Seriously... (she's still way behind Chyna though, who just did a gangbang video with guys disguised as wrestlers, including John Cena and yes, Mean Gene. I'm not kidding and I don't have a link)
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I haven't followed this either, but WTF ? Speaking about RF, booking Tammy Fytch just before she gets into rehab (which failed miserably) to get the "real" shoot interview that "wasn't exploitative" is pretty much up there too.
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That seems to be the most accurate. This is when it became corporate wrestling. 1991 was just a name change to establish a brand that was different from the old NWA, which didn't mean anything at this point. Flair leaving with the NWA belt and not returning it jumpstarted the rebranding of the titles as WCW titles.
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"He's ambitiously stupid" - Why Scott Keith's new book is scary bad
El-P replied to Bix's topic in Megathread archive
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Ah, pro-wrestling. Such a classy business, turning everything into an angle. So, to the people who have watched it, is this the most disgusting promotionnal tactic award of the year ?
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Come on FLIK, where do you find these !! Man, I didn't need to see those close-up of Dump's body ! Wacky japanese TV shows (gotta love the ending) ! But Bull looked just awesome.
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Good match to end a disapointing Clash. I miss Jesse Ventura, Heenan just isn't as good. Too excitable for me. The Vader squashing Flair sequence was pretty good, although Flair's selling looks kinda overdone with "acting", and I think he may have influenced Shawn Michaels on this. The finishing sequences between Sting and Rude are pretty good, but for all the talk about Bret or Flair being predictable and formulaic, Rude is way worse at this point on that matter, you can just predict every move and counter in advance.
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[1994-01-27-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXVI] Bobby Heenan debuts
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1994
Heenan is great and all, but I know I'll miss Ventura very soon, and Heenan wil overstay his welcome eventually. This really feels more and more like a WWF wave with each passing months, after Gene, The Boss and now Heenan.- 12 replies
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Ice Train actually debuted in 1993. That match was pretty much the official act of Simmons heel turn, although he did work squash matches as a heel the weeks leading to this. Fun 6-man matchg, with lot of legit crowd heat which is refreshing. I agree Austin was the stand-out here, and watching him and Flair work together really underlines the fact we have been robbed of a great Austin vs Flair program on top.
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Ah ah, I had no idea they actually rebooted the Shockmaster gimmick pretending a friend of his who was named the Super Shockmaster came in with a mask and a more agressive attitude in early 94. And he was doing promos on Vader. Oh, Dusty, whatever you could do to push your family... (the little improvement of late 93 carries on in early 94, but it's not like the booking of major shows hasn't been mostly terrible, including Starrcade. Let's see how the first Clash of the year pans out.)
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I found the idea of gaining weight stupid, but damn does she look great again or what ? Bull is the greatest.
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[1994-01-15-WCW-Saturday Night] Steve Austin vs Brian Pillman
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1994
What this shows to me is how much Austin has improved since 1991, while Pillman basically stayed at the same level he was 5 years before (which was a damn good level to begin with), only not as flashy as he used to be for obvious reasons.- 9 replies
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Funny stuff. Too bad he never got to talk in WCW.
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Another great Cornette promo, but I'm getting tired of all the gimmick and stipulation matches. On the same TV show we also get to hear a promo about a "football helmet on a pole" match. Jeeez...
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I don't think so. They were NWA/WCW guys through and through. The RW were huge stars for years in the NWA circuit and early on in WCW, and spent merely two years in WWF, in which they weren't used that well, ending their stint with a ridiculous puppet. Road Warriors coming back was just a homecoming. Ironically they ended up spending more time in WWF late in their career, when they were way past their prime. The Steiners's stint in WWF is barely a footnote. No big match, no big feud, after less than one year that were fed to the Quebecers and basically disappeared from sight. They were huge star in WCW in the early 90's and them coming back when they did during the MNW era was basically WCW stars making a comeback after disapearing for a few years (Japan was their second home as far as star power goes). Luger, well, he was a big name in WWF for a while, although one that just didn't work there (in every sens of the word), and by the summer of 1994 he was in a mid-card feud with Tatanka and the Million Dollar Corporation. Six montsh later he was thrown into a makeshift tag team with the British Bulldog in the nearly deceased tag division. Luger had worked on top of WCW for years and was a big deal to them and their audience from day one of his push to the day he departed, I think his comeback is another case of just a big WCW star coming back after being misused in WWF. In a way Luger showing up on Nitro feels like Shane Douglas showing up in the ECW arena in early 96 : the prodigal son has come back after WWF failed to do anything with him. The perception that WWF is the big game in town is true in most cases, but those three names really bare the NWA/WCW name on their forehead. Flair was obviously the same thing. Vince never really knew or enjoyed how to push legit stars from another company. The interesting thing is that the turnover happened after WWF really recieved a huge influx from former WCW "stars" or "would-be-stars" like Foley, Austin, Pillman, Mero, Simmons, Scorpio, Vader. Of course they wouldn't all play a major role in the turnover, of this bunch arguably only Austin & Foley did (well, Mero did too because he brought his wife), but it's interesting to see that in 1996, WWF's undercard really was invaded by a bunch of former WCW talent (lot of which had passed through ECW in a way or another). The circulation of talent is what made wrestling fun and what modified the streams of the different product, and it's really something that painfully lacks today. Okay, I'm ranting at this point.
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SMW sure had a good editor, because it's a super efficient old-school wrestling video. Having real music always helps too.
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Fun TV match, but I don't see how the hold work was particulary compelling. It was nice and all, but earlier on Terry Taylor and Steven Regal worked a mat-based match with simple holds (namely a whole segment around a body scissor) that was much more focused and told a better story. This was a nice match that showed that Austin was more than able to hang out with Sting. The ending was kinda cheap, and poor Brian Pillman really finds himself back into Flyn' Brian mode of Stinger's little buddy like it's 1990 all over again. Feel the frustration. Did I mentionned Col. Parker is quickly annoying on promos ?
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I'd rather be Rick Martel. Retired early (although he made that brief and really good comeback which was fucked up by both of Harlem Heat's incompetence), made money in real estate, got a good life outside of wrestling. Scratch that, I'd rather be Jesse Ventura or Ray Rougeau, who retired even before getting injured (both around 35 years old), made shitloads of money and live a good life. (read : I'd rather be a smart worker who saved his money and got into other ventures early, whatever the era)
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Ok, now that I have rewatched it in context, I made a 180° on it. I totally agree with Loss on the Tenryu remark, that's exactly what I thought when rewatching this, Flair basically worked a Tenryu match, going at it with stiff chops and good looking punches. The is the apex of Flair working babyface and shows pretty much what he would have been if he had worked mostly babyface during his career. That being said, I wouldn't call it a great match, although it's a slow build match that gets better as it goes, and the emotionnal post-match does a lot to carry it over the top, but I certainly wouldn't put it in the same category as any Vader vs Sting matches. But a very good to excellent match ? Yep, without a problem. The ending sucks, but the pop it gets is so great that it almost nullifies it, as at this very second Flair is the champ again, has saved his career and everything is good in the best world possible. So, all in all it's a very fine match to end a very frustrating card (cut off Rude vs Boss & Austin vs Rhodes so the Nasties could work 30 minutes, to a DQ no less), and a pretty terrible 2/3 of a year.
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[1993-12-27-WCW-Starrcade '93] Steve Austin vs Dustin Rhodes (2/3 falls)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in December 1993
Holy shit what a disapointment. Just as it was getting really good, 2 straight falls and Dustin loses the title. It could have developp into an excellent match, but as it is, it's kind of a downer. Not a very good year for Dustin, although much of it is not is fault (working with Maxx Payne, a shot Rick Rude, in the shadow of his father during the Orndorff match, horrible Wargames match thanks to Harlem Heat, Shockmaster and Sid). Well, at least it was surprising, but not less of a disapointment to see the match end like that.